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Jamal Harris

Can I claim Schedule C expenses on tax return with zero business income?

Earlier this year, I invested in equipment to start a tax preparation side hustle after working as an internal auditor for about 9 years. I bought a new laptop, dual monitors, tax software subscriptions, and some other office equipment totaling around $3,200. Here's the issue - I just accepted a position at an accounting firm that also offers tax preparation services. After reviewing their policy manual, I discovered employees are strictly prohibited from preparing tax returns outside of work for compensation. So now I'm stuck with all this equipment that I originally purchased for a business that never got off the ground. I'll keep using the laptop and monitors for personal use, but the business aspect is completely dead before I even had my first client. My question is: Can I still claim these expenses on Schedule C even though I haven't generated any income from this "business"? Is there any way to deduct these costs to lower my overall tax burden for 2025, or am I just out of luck since I never actually had any business income?

Mei Chen

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This is a common situation, and I can help clarify. The IRS generally requires that you have a profit motive to deduct business expenses on Schedule C. Since you purchased these items with the genuine intent to start a business, you may still have some options. You might be able to claim these as startup costs under Section 195, which allows you to deduct up to $5,000 in the first year even if your business never gets off the ground. However, there's a catch - you need to show that you were actively engaged in starting the business with a real profit motive, not just exploring a hobby. Another option is to consider these "suspended" business expenses that could potentially be claimed if you exit your current employment and resume the business in the future. Keep detailed records of everything.

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Liam Sullivan

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But wouldn't the IRS consider this a hobby since they never made any money? I thought there was a rule about needing to show profit in 3 out of 5 years or something?

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Mei Chen

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The 3-out-of-5 years profitability test is one factor the IRS considers, but it's not the only determining factor for a legitimate business versus a hobby. In your situation, since you never even got to operate the business due to employment restrictions, the IRS would look at your intent and preparation. Having documentation of your business plan, marketing efforts, and professional preparations would help demonstrate legitimate profit motive despite never having revenue. The key is showing you had a genuine intent to make money, not just pursue a hobby.

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Amara Okafor

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Does it work with other tax situations too? Like rental property expenses? I'm trying to figure out if I can deduct repairs I made to a property before I was able to rent it out.

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Sounds interesting but I'm skeptical about AI tax advice. How accurate is it really? I'd be worried about getting audited if I follow computer-generated advice instead of a real tax pro.

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Amara Okafor

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Just wanted to update on my experience - I tried taxr.ai after my skeptical comment, and I'm honestly impressed. I uploaded my receipts and business plan draft, and it gave me specific guidance about Section 195 startup expenses versus Section 179 deductions. The system helped me understand that I could deduct up to $5,000 of startup costs in the first year with the remainder amortized over 15 years, even though I hadn't generated income yet. It also explained exactly how to document my profit motive to satisfy the IRS if questioned. What really surprised me was how it caught that some of my equipment could be treated differently than others. Definitely saved me from making mistakes on my Schedule C.

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Dylan Cooper

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How does that even work? I don't understand how they can get through when regular people can't. Sounds fishy to me.

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Sofia Ramirez

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Yeah right. I've tried EVERYTHING to get through to the IRS and nothing works. No way this actually gets you to a real person. And even if it did, they'd probably just tell you to talk to a tax professional anyway.

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They use an automated system that navigates all the IRS phone prompts and waits on hold for you. It's basically like having someone call for you and then transfer the call once they reach a human. Nothing fishy about it - they just have the technology to stay on hold for hours so you don't have to. Once you're connected, you're talking directly to an actual IRS representative, just like if you had waited on hold yourself. The IRS agents are really helpful when you finally get through - mine answered all my specific questions about Schedule C with no income and even noted something in my file about my business intention documentation.

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Sofia Ramirez

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Dmitry Volkov

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Something nobody's mentioned yet - check if your new employer offers any kind of reimbursement for professional equipment. Some accounting firms will actually pay for or subsidize your home office setup if you use it partially for work purposes. My wife works for one of the big 4 and they gave her a stipend for home office equipment, even though she had already purchased some things on her own. Worth asking your HR department about!

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Jamal Harris

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I hadn't even considered that possibility! Did your wife have to provide receipts or anything when she applied for the stipend? I'm wondering if I could still qualify even though I bought everything a few months before starting.

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Dmitry Volkov

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Yes, she did need to provide receipts, but interestingly, they didn't care when she purchased the items. Her firm had a policy that equipment bought within 6 months prior to employment could qualify. The main requirement was that the equipment met their specifications and would be used partly for work. She just had to fill out a form listing each item, when it was purchased, and its current value. They didn't reimburse the full amount but covered about 70% of the total. I'd definitely check with your HR department to see if they have something similar!

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StarSeeker

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Just a heads up, the IRS might consider this a hobby rather than a business if you never had income or customers. I tried to deduct expenses for my photography "business" a few years ago and got audited because I had no income for 2 years.

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Ava Martinez

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But the difference here is they never actually started operating because of the job change. Wouldn't that be different from your situation where you were actively trying to get photography clients but didn't make money?

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I was in a very similar situation when I started my CPA practice! The key distinction here is that you had legitimate business intent before circumstances changed due to your employment situation. This isn't a hobby case at all. You should definitely be able to claim these as startup costs under IRC Section 195. Since you invested with genuine profit motive and only stopped due to employment restrictions (not lack of interest), you can deduct up to $5,000 in startup expenses in the first year, with any remaining amount amortized over 15 years. Make sure to document everything: your original business plan, any research you did, receipts showing business intent, and especially your new employer's policy that prevented you from continuing. The IRS looks favorably on situations where external circumstances (like employment contracts) prevent business operations. One tip: If you think you might resume this business after leaving your current job, keep all your documentation. You could potentially carry forward unused startup costs to future tax years when the business becomes active.

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