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Savannah Vin

Do you need to file taxes if you didn't work or make any income this year?

So here's my situation... I basically didn't work at all during 2024 (some personal stuff happened, don't really wanna get into it). I actually ended up losing about $3,200 on a small side business attempt that completely flopped. I know there's something about being able to write off losses on taxes, but honestly I'm wondering if I even NEED to file taxes at all for 2024 since I literally made zero income from any job? Like, if the IRS doesn't have any W-2s or 1099s for me, do they even care if I file? Part of me thinks I should file to document the loss, but another part thinks why bother with the paperwork if there's no requirement when you don't have income. Anyone know what the actual rule is about this?

Mason Stone

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You're not technically required to file federal taxes if your income is below the filing threshold, which for a single person under 65 in 2024 is $14,600. Since you made $0 income, you're below that threshold. However, you absolutely should consider filing anyway for two important reasons: 1. If you had any tax withholding at all (even from a job you left early in the year), you won't get that money refunded unless you file. 2. More importantly in your case, to claim that $3,200 business loss. Those losses can potentially be carried forward to future tax years when you're making money again, which could reduce your tax burden later. If you don't document the loss now by filing Schedule C, you can't claim it later.

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Savannah Vin

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Thanks for clarifying! I didn't have any withholding since I didn't work at all, but that point about documenting the business loss is really interesting. I didn't know you could carry forward losses to future years. Do you know how many years you can carry it forward? And would I need to file a bunch of special forms, or is it pretty straightforward?

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Mason Stone

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You can typically carry business losses forward for up to 20 years, which gives you plenty of time to use them when you're earning income again. The IRS calls this a Net Operating Loss (NOL). The process isn't super complicated. You'll file a regular return with Schedule C showing your business activity and loss for the current year. When you file in future years, you'll need to include Form 1045 or 1040X to apply the previous losses. It's definitely worth the small effort now to potentially save tax dollars in the future.

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How accurate is it? I've tried other tax software and they often miss things or give weird recommendations. Did it actually help with figuring out the right forms for claiming losses when you don't have income?

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Emma Olsen

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I'm curious - does it work for more complicated situations? I have zero W-2 income but did some gig work that didn't generate 1099s because it was under the threshold. Would it help determine if I need to file in that case?

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It's been spot-on for me. It correctly identified all the forms I needed including Schedule C for business losses and told me exactly how to document everything properly so I could use the losses in future years. For your situation with gig work under the 1099 threshold, it would definitely help. The system specifically asks about all types of income, even amounts below reporting thresholds. It told me that even with small amounts of gig work, you're technically supposed to report that income on Schedule C as self-employment income.

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Emma Olsen

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Just wanted to update - I tried https://taxr.ai after seeing it mentioned here and it was super helpful! I uploaded my bank statements showing my small gig deposits and it confirmed I should file even though I'm under the standard threshold. It explained that self-employment taxes kick in at just $400 of net earnings, which I didn't know. I was also able to document some losses from a failed online store experiment. The whole process took like 15 minutes and now I'm confident I'm doing everything correctly!

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Lucas Lindsey

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Sophie Duck

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How does this even work? I've tried calling the IRS like 50 times and always get the "try again later" message. Does this service actually get you through or is it just another way to get generic advice?

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Sounds fishy to me. Why would anyone be able to get through to the IRS when their lines are always jammed? And why would you need this if you can just get free tax advice from any tax preparer? Seems like a waste of money to me.

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Lucas Lindsey

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It uses a technology that continually redials and navigates the IRS phone tree for you. When it gets through, it calls your phone and connects you directly to the agent. You don't have to do anything except answer when your phone rings. It's not generic advice - you're talking to an actual IRS agent who can see your tax records and give you official guidance specific to your situation. Tax preparers can give general advice, but they can't access your IRS records or provide official IRS positions on specific questions. I needed to know if my particular situation required filing, and only the IRS could give me a definitive answer.

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I have to admit I was wrong about Claimyr. After my skeptical comment, I decided to try it because I was desperate to resolve an issue with my 2022 return where I had no income but had some investment losses I wanted to document. Called the IRS 8 times over 3 weeks with no luck. Used Claimyr and got through to an agent in about 15 minutes. The agent confirmed I was right to file even with zero income and helped me understand how to properly document my losses for future use. They also put a note in my file explaining my situation which will help if there are any questions later. Definitely changed my view on this service - sometimes you need to hear directly from the IRS to be sure you're doing things correctly.

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Anita George

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Something nobody's mentioned yet - if you're a dependent on someone else's tax return (like if your parents claim you), different rules might apply. Also, some states have different filing requirements than federal. Might want to check your specific state rules too.

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Savannah Vin

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That's a good point I hadn't thought about. I'm definitely not a dependent on anyone's return (I'm 31). But you're right about state taxes - I'm in Texas so I think we don't have state income tax, but I should double check.

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Anita George

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Texas doesn't have state income tax, so you're good there. Just wanted to mention it because so many people forget about state requirements which can be totally different from federal!

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Don't forget about stimulus checks or tax credits! Even if you don't "need" to file, you might be leaving money on the table if you don't. Anyone know if there are any credits available for people with zero income for 2024?

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Mason Stone

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Great point about credits. For 2024, there aren't stimulus payments like during COVID, but depending on your situation, you might qualify for credits like the Recovery Rebate Credit (if you missed previous stimulus payments) or certain educational credits if you were taking classes. Even with zero income, you might qualify for the Earned Income Tax Credit if you had any income at all in the previous 3 years and meet certain other requirements. This is called the "lookback rule" and it's often overlooked.

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Thanks for that info! I'd completely forgotten about the lookback rule for EITC. That's definitely something OP should look into if they had income in previous years.

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Logan Chiang

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Friendly reminder that not filing when you don't have to is completely legal, but if you ever need proof of income (or lack thereof) for things like apartment applications, student loan deferments, or government assistance programs, having a filed tax return that shows your income situation is super helpful. I learned this the hard way when I didn't file during a year I didn't work and then couldn't prove my income status for a housing application.

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Savannah Vin

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That's actually really helpful - I am planning to apply for some assistance programs and didn't think about needing proof of my (lack of) income. Definitely another good reason to file. Thanks for sharing your experience!

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