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Nora Brooks

Am I required to file taxes if I had zero income or just lost money last year?

So I'm trying to figure out the whole tax situation for my mom. She basically didn't work at all last year and had like no income to speak of. Actually, she lost some money on a small art business she tried to start but it totally flopped. I know there's something about being able to write off losses on taxes (tax rightoff?), but I'm wondering if she even needs to bother filing at all this year? Like, is there a rule that says you HAVE to file taxes even when you made zero dollars or actually lost money? Would the IRS even care if she skipped filing this year since there's nothing to report income-wise? I'm just trying to help her figure out if this is mandatory or if she can just wait until next year when hopefully she'll have some actual income. Any advice would be super helpful!

Eli Wang

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This is a great question many people face. Whether your mom needs to file depends on a few factors, not just whether she worked or had income. Even with no income, filing may be required if she: - Is self-employed with net earnings of $400+ (doesn't sound like this applies) - Had any tax withheld that she could get refunded - Qualifies for refundable credits like the Earned Income Credit - Received advance premium tax credits for health insurance About those business losses - they can definitely be valuable! If she files now, she can document those losses and potentially carry them forward to offset income in future years. If she doesn't file, she might lose the ability to claim these losses later. The filing requirements also depend on her filing status, age, and whether she's claimed as a dependent. Most adults with very low/no income aren't required to file, but it's worth checking the specific thresholds.

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Nora Brooks

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Thanks for the detailed response! My mom is 58, single (divorced), and definitely not claimed as anyone's dependent. The art business thing was super small - she spent maybe $3000 on supplies and classes but only sold like $600 worth of stuff. Does that count as self-employment with net earnings? Also, she did have health insurance but it was through her previous employer's COBRA thing that she paid for herself.

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Eli Wang

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For the art business, that actually counts as a net loss of $2400 ($600 income minus $3000 expenses), not net earnings. The $400 threshold for self-employment filing applies to profits, not losses, so that specific requirement doesn't apply to her situation. Regarding the COBRA coverage, if she paid 100% of the premiums herself and didn't receive any premium tax credits through the Marketplace, then there's no health insurance-related filing requirement. If she had income below the filing threshold and no other special circumstances, she technically wouldn't be required to file.

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Does it actually tell you if you're legally required to file though? I'm in a similar situation (made less than $2k last year from random gig work) and I'm trying to figure out if I HAVE to file or if it's optional in my case.

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I'm skeptical about these AI tax tools. How accurate is it really? Like does it understand all the weird exceptions and special cases? I've heard stories about people getting bad advice from automated systems.

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Nora Brooks

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Wait, this actually exists? I've literally never been able to get through to the IRS no matter what time of day I call. How much does this service cost? Is it worth it just to ask a simple question like whether my mom needs to file?

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Lola Perez

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This sounds like a scam. How do you know the "IRS agent" you talked to was legitimate? And why would you need some third-party service to call a government agency? Seems sketchy to give your info to some random company.

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Lola Perez

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Don't forget state taxes! Even if you don't need to file federal, some states have different requirements. My brother had no income for a year but still had to file a state return because he lived in a state with a property tax credit he qualified for.

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Nora Brooks

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Omg I totally didn't even think about state taxes! We're in California. Does anyone know if CA requires filing with no income? This is getting complicated fast.

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California generally follows similar rules to federal filing requirements, so if your mom isn't required to file federally, she likely isn't required to file a state return either. However, if she paid any CA state income tax (through withholding for example), she'd want to file to get that refunded. California does have some credits available for low-income residents that might make filing beneficial even if not required. The California Earned Income Tax Credit might apply depending on her situation, and there's also a renter's credit that could be relevant if she rents her home.

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Riya Sharma

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I didn't file taxes for 2 years when I had no income during grad school and it came back to bite me later when applying for a loan. The lender wanted tax returns and I had to go back and file those "zero" returns just to prove I really had no income. Save yourself the hassle!

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Santiago Diaz

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This happened to my wife too! She was a stay-at-home mom for 3 years and didn't file her own returns (we weren't married yet). Then when we applied for our mortgage, they needed documentation for those gap years. It was a whole thing with filing late returns just to show zeros.

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Millie Long

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The IRS does not require individuals to file a zero return if your income is under the standard deduction. But as a tax preparer I often recommend filing anyway for 3 key reasons: 1) statute of limitations starts running when you file (protecting you from future audits), 2) establishes income history for loans/benefits, and 3) prevents the IRS from creating a substitute return for you (which never works in your favor).

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Nora Brooks

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That's really interesting about the substitute return thing - I had no idea the IRS would just create a return for you! Does that happen often? And what do you mean about the statute of limitations?

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Millie Long

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Substitute returns typically happen when the IRS receives income documents (like W-2s or 1099s) for you but you haven't filed. They're rare for people with truly zero income but can happen if there's any reported income they know about. The problem is the IRS only includes income, not deductions or credits you're entitled to, so you almost always end up with a higher tax bill. Regarding the statute of limitations, the IRS generally has 3 years from the date you file to audit your return. If you never file, there's no statute of limitations, meaning they could theoretically come back 10+ years later with questions. Filing starts that 3-year clock, even for a zero return, giving you protection and closure for that tax year.

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Zoe Dimitriou

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Based on what you've described about your mom's situation, she's likely not legally required to file a federal return since she had no income and the art business resulted in a net loss rather than profit. However, I'd strongly recommend she file anyway for several important reasons. First, that $2,400 business loss could be valuable for future tax years. Business losses can be carried forward to offset income when she does start earning again, potentially saving her money down the road. But she needs to file this year to establish and document those losses. Second, filing creates a paper trail that can be helpful later for things like loan applications, benefit eligibility, or even just proving her income status for various programs. Many people don't realize how often you need to show tax returns as proof of income (or lack thereof). At 58 and single, she's definitely not required to file with zero income, but the potential benefits of filing likely outweigh the minimal effort involved. You might also want to check if she qualifies for any refundable credits - sometimes people with little to no income can still get credits that result in refunds. The good news is that a zero-income return is typically very straightforward to file, and many free filing options are available for her income level.

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Emma Bianchi

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This is such helpful advice! I really appreciate you breaking down the business loss carryforward thing - I had no idea that was even possible. The part about creating a paper trail makes total sense too, especially after reading about other people's experiences with loans and stuff. One quick follow-up question: when you mention "free filing options for her income level," do you know what the income threshold is for those programs? And would the art business expenses complicate things even if she uses free filing software? I'm just trying to figure out if this is something we can handle ourselves or if we need to find a tax preparer. Thanks again for such a thorough explanation!

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