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Hiroshi Nakamura

Do you need to file taxes if you didn't work or make an income at all last year?

So here's my situation...I was between jobs for most of 2023 and basically didn't earn any actual income. I had some savings I lived off of, but no W-2s, no 1099s, nothing to report. I think I might have made like $200 helping my neighbor with some yard work, but that was cash and super minimal. I've always filed taxes every year since I was 16, but now I'm wondering if I even need to bother for 2023? I know I won't owe anything, that's for sure. But is it still required by law to file when you literally had no income? Also, I did lose about $3,000 in some really bad stock investments. I understand there might be some tax write-off potential for those losses, but I'm not sure if it's worth the hassle. Just generally speaking - do you NEED to file taxes for a year when you didn't work or just lost money? Or can I just skip this year without getting in trouble with the IRS?

The requirement to file taxes is based on your income level, not whether you worked or not. Since you had minimal income ($200) and some investment losses, you likely don't have a filing requirement for 2023. For 2024 (filing in 2025), single filers under 65 only need to file if they earned more than $13,850. The threshold varies based on filing status, age, and other factors. Since you earned well below this, you technically don't have a filing obligation. However, there are good reasons to consider filing anyway. Those investment losses can be valuable! You can claim up to $3,000 in net capital losses per year, and any excess carries forward to future years. If you expect to have income in the future, those losses could reduce your tax liability then. Also, if you had any federal taxes withheld from any source during the year (even from a brief job), filing is the only way to get that money refunded to you.

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Thanks for the detailed reply! So even without income, I could still file to record those investment losses for future years? Would that mean when I eventually have a job again, I could use some of these losses to offset my income then? Also, what about state taxes? I'm in California if that matters. Do the same rules apply there?

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Yes, filing now would establish those investment losses on your record, which could be used to offset future income when you're employed again. The IRS allows you to deduct up to $3,000 in net capital losses against ordinary income each year, and any remainder carries forward indefinitely until used up. For California, the rules are similar but not identical to federal. California's filing threshold for 2023 is $20,198 for single filers under 65, so you likely don't have a state filing requirement either. However, if you want to establish those losses for California tax purposes as well, you should file both federal and state returns.

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Did it actually help you file the return or just tell you what to do? I'm in a similar boat (barely any income but some crypto losses) and I'm confused about how to even start the process.

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I'm a little skeptical about these AI tax tools. How accurate was it really? I mean, how do you know if the advice it gave was correct? Not trying to be rude, just genuinely curious if it's worth trying.

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It didn't file for me, but it gave me step-by-step instructions for how to report everything correctly. It explained which forms I needed (Schedule D and Form 8949 for the investment losses) and exactly where to put the information. I used that guidance with free filing software and it was pretty simple. Regarding accuracy, I was skeptical too at first. What convinced me was that it cited specific IRS publications for every recommendation. Plus, when I took the report to my friend who works at H&R Block, she confirmed it was all correct. The capital loss carryforward was something I wouldn't have known to do otherwise.

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Just wanted to update after trying taxr.ai that someone mentioned above. It actually was really helpful for my "no income but some losses" situation. I was worried about missing something, but the analysis confirmed I should file to establish my crypto losses (about $4,500) even though I technically didn't need to file. The report explained how the loss carryforward works and showed me exactly where to report everything. Now I can use those losses to offset income for up to $3,000 per year when I start working again. Without filing, I would have just lost that tax benefit completely. Definitely filing this year even with basically no income!

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I owe everyone an apology, especially regarding my skepticism about Claimyr. After my rude comment, I decided to actually try it because I was desperate to ask about my filing situation with minimal income. The service actually worked exactly as described and got me through to an IRS agent in about 35 minutes. The agent confirmed that with my particular situation (small freelance income under $500 and some investment losses), I technically didn't have a filing requirement but should still file to document my losses for future years. They explained I could carry those losses forward indefinitely until I have enough income to offset. Saved me from potentially losing thousands in future tax benefits. Sometimes being proven wrong is a good thing!

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Something nobody's mentioned - if you think you might qualify for any refundable tax credits, you definitely want to file even with no income! The Earned Income Credit requires some earned income, but other credits like the Recovery Rebate Credit (for missed stimulus payments) or the Additional Child Tax Credit might still apply even with zero income. I had almost no income in 2021 but still filed and got back over $1,100 from refundable credits. Just something to consider before deciding to skip filing.

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This is really important! My sister didn't work last year due to health issues but filed anyway and got the American Opportunity Credit for her college expenses. Can you get these credits even years later if you didn't initially file?

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You can generally file or amend returns up to 3 years after the original due date to claim refundable credits you missed. So if you missed filing for 2022, you have until April 2026 to still claim any credits from that year. For education credits specifically like the American Opportunity Credit, you're absolutely right that they can be claimed even with zero income since a portion is refundable. This is exactly why I always recommend filing even without income - the tax code has so many benefits that people miss when they assume "no income = no need to file.

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Question for anyone who knows - if I didn't file taxes last year because I had no income, will this affect my FAFSA application for college financial aid? My school is asking for my tax transcript but I didn't file.

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For FAFSA purposes, you'll need to indicate that you were "not required to file" a tax return. The FAFSA has specific questions addressing this situation. You may need to provide a "Verification of Non-filing Letter" from the IRS, which confirms you didn't file taxes. You can request this letter using IRS Form 4506-T. Your school's financial aid office deals with this situation regularly, so they'll have specific instructions on what documentation they need from non-filers. Just be honest about your non-filing status and they'll guide you through any additional requirements.

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Thanks for this info! I'll request that verification letter and talk to my financial aid office. I was worried this would mess up my aid application but sounds like it's a common situation they know how to handle.

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Just wanted to add another perspective here - even if you're not required to file, there's also the psychological benefit of staying in the habit. I skipped filing one year when I had minimal income and it made me feel disconnected from my financial responsibilities. When I started working again the following year, I found myself less prepared for tax season because I'd gotten out of the routine. Filing even with zero income keeps you engaged with the process and helps you understand how different types of income and losses affect your taxes. Plus, if you use tax software, many of them are free for simple returns. It's actually good practice to walk through the filing process when the stakes are low (no income to mess up) rather than when you have a complex tax situation later.

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That's such a great point about staying in the habit! I never thought about the psychological aspect, but you're absolutely right. I've been out of work for over a year now and I can already feel myself getting anxious about taxes in general. Filing this year even with basically no income would probably help me feel more confident when I do start working again. Plus, like others mentioned, I could establish those investment losses on record. Thanks for that perspective - it's making me lean more toward filing even though I technically don't have to.

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I'm a tax professional and wanted to add some clarity to this discussion. While you're technically not required to file with such minimal income, I strongly recommend you do file for 2023. Here's why: First, those $3,000 investment losses are valuable! You can claim up to $3,000 in net capital losses against ordinary income each year, and any excess carries forward indefinitely. Even if you don't have income now to offset, those losses will be waiting for you when you do start earning again. Second, the $200 cash income from yard work - while minimal - should technically be reported if you file. The IRS doesn't have a "de minimis" exception for small amounts of income. Third, filing establishes a paper trail with the IRS showing your financial activity (or lack thereof) for 2023. This can be helpful if you're ever questioned about your income in future years. The process is straightforward: you'd file Form 1040 with Schedule D (Capital Gains and Losses) and Form 8949 (Sales and Other Dispositions of Capital Assets) to report your investment losses. Most free tax software can handle this easily, and since you won't owe any taxes, there's no cost to file electronically. Bottom line: file the return, claim those losses, and set yourself up for future tax benefits when you're working again.

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This is exactly the kind of professional advice I was hoping to see! As someone new to this community, I really appreciate the detailed breakdown. I'm in a somewhat similar situation - had very little income last year but some cryptocurrency losses that I wasn't sure how to handle. Your explanation about establishing a paper trail makes a lot of sense. I was worried about filing "unnecessarily" but now I understand it's more about protecting future opportunities than just meeting current requirements. The fact that those losses carry forward indefinitely is huge - I had no idea they didn't expire after a certain period. Quick follow-up question: when you mention Form 8949 for investment losses, does that apply to cryptocurrency losses as well? I know crypto is treated as property for tax purposes, but I want to make sure I'm using the right forms when I file.

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