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Amy Fleming

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Processing usually means theres nothing wrong, just waiting in line. But check your transcript for any codes that start with 570 or 971

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Sara Unger

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where do I find those codes? the transcript is confusing af

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Fiona Sand

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@Amy Fleming is right about those codes! Look on your Account Transcript - the codes are in the left column. 570 means additional account action pending, 971 means notice issued. If you see 846, that s'your refund date. The transcript can be confusing but those specific codes will tell you what s'actually happening with your return.

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Alice Pierce

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This whole system is broken fr fr 🤔 Been processing since February too

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One more thing on this topic - capital loss carryovers can potentially be used on back-to-back separate and joint returns. Like if you filed as single with carryover losses, then got married, you CAN bring those losses to your joint return. But what's weird is if you file jointly with losses, then get divorced, each spouse gets half the carryover. My ex and I had about $18k in carryovers when we split, and we each took $9k to our separate returns.

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Anna Xian

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Is this officially documented somewhere? Going through a divorce now and we have carryover losses from some terrible investment decisions we made together. Would be nice to know the official position on splitting these up.

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Layla Mendes

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For the divorce question about splitting capital loss carryovers - yes, this is covered in IRS Publication 504 (Divorced or Separated Individuals). When spouses who filed jointly get divorced, any unused capital loss carryovers from the joint returns are generally allocated 50/50 between the former spouses on their subsequent separate returns, unless they agree to a different allocation in their divorce decree. However, if one spouse can demonstrate they were responsible for a larger portion of the losses (like if they managed all the investments that generated the losses), they might be able to claim a larger share. But absent specific documentation or agreement, the IRS default is 50/50 split. The key thing is to make sure this gets addressed in your divorce settlement so there's no confusion later when you're both trying to claim the carryovers on separate returns.

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This is really helpful information! I had no idea that capital loss carryovers could be split in divorce situations. Makes me wonder - what happens if one spouse remarries and files jointly with their new spouse? Can those carried-over losses from the previous marriage be used on the new joint return? Or do they stay tied to the individual who originally incurred them? Also, does anyone know if there are any time limits for making the allocation agreement in the divorce decree, or can former spouses go back and amend how they want to split the losses even after the divorce is final?

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Avery Davis

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The IRS is such a joke fr fr... They expect us to pay on time but take 10 years to send refunds 🤔

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LITERALLY THIS! šŸ’Æ

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Have you tried checking your account transcript instead of just the return transcript? Sometimes the account transcript shows processing activity even when the return transcript is blank. Also, if you filed in February and verified ID in March, you're definitely within the timeframe where it could still be processing normally - the IRS is still working through returns from that period. Don't panic yet!

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Diego Rojas

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This is really helpful advice! I didn't know there was a difference between account and return transcripts. Where do I find the account transcript? Is it on the same IRS website or do I need to go somewhere else?

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One thing nobody mentioned - if you're due a refund for those years, you only have 3 years from the original due date to claim it. So for 2021, you have until April 2025 (since it was due April 2022). After that, you can still file but kiss any potential refund goodbye. If you owe money though, there's no time limit for the IRS to collect, and penalties and interest keep building. So definitely prioritize filing those past returns ASAP.

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Are you sure about this? I thought the 3-year limit was from when you actually file, not the original due date. Is this different for different tax situations?

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I'm 100% certain it's 3 years from the original due date, not from when you file. This is a common misconception. This is straight from the IRS: you must file your claim for a credit or refund within 3 years from the date you filed your original return or within 2 years from the date you paid the tax, whichever is later. So for a 2021 tax return that was due in April 2022, you have until April 2025 to claim any refund. After that, even if you were owed money, it becomes the property of the U.S. Treasury. The IRS is strict about this timeline and doesn't make exceptions. That's why filing sooner rather than later is so important, especially if you think you might be owed money!

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Hey Liam! I completely understand your stress about this situation - I was in a very similar spot about two years ago when I realized I hadn't filed for 2019 and 2020, and one of my employers had literally disappeared. Here's what worked for me: First, definitely go the IRS transcript route that GalacticGuru mentioned - it's the most reliable way to get your exact wage information. But if you're having trouble with the online verification (like many people do), I'd recommend calling that transcript line at 800-908-9946 early in the morning, around 7 AM. The wait times are much shorter then. While you're waiting for those transcripts, start gathering whatever you DO have - bank statements showing direct deposits, any old pay stubs, even screenshots of your online banking if that's all you've got. The IRS really does prefer that you file with your best available information rather than not file at all. One thing that helped calm my nerves: the IRS is generally pretty reasonable when you're making a good faith effort to comply and file your returns. The scary penalties people talk about are usually for people who just ignore their obligations completely. You're actively trying to fix this, which puts you in a much better category. Also, don't forget to look into penalty abatement options once you get everything filed. If you have a reasonable cause (like unresponsive employers), the IRS might waive some of the penalties. You've got this!

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Molly Hansen

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This is really reassuring to hear from someone who's been through the same thing! I'm definitely going to try calling that transcript line early in the morning - I hadn't thought about timing it strategically like that. Quick question though - when you mention penalty abatement, is that something you request while filing the returns, or do you have to wait until after they're processed? I'm worried about making this process even more complicated, but if there's a chance to reduce penalties it seems worth exploring. Also, did you end up owing a lot more than you expected because of the interest and penalties, or was it manageable? I know everyone's situation is different, but I'm trying to mentally prepare myself for what I might be facing.

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ApolloJackson

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Based on what everyone's shared here, it sounds like the key is really treating this as a legitimate business from day one. I'd recommend starting with a solid business plan that shows your intent to expand beyond just family rentals - maybe outline how you'll advertise on platforms like Turo, Facebook Marketplace, or even local classified ads within the first 6 months. One thing I haven't seen mentioned is that you'll want to check your state's requirements for car rental businesses too. Some states require special licenses or permits for vehicle rental operations, even small ones. Also, make sure your auto insurance covers commercial rental activity - most personal policies don't, and you could be looking at serious liability issues if something happens during a rental. The documentation piece that Mohammad mentioned about his brother's audit is crucial. I'd suggest keeping a detailed log of every inquiry, rental, and business expense from the very beginning. Even if someone calls asking about rates but doesn't rent, document it. This shows you're actively trying to build a customer base beyond family members. For the Section 179 deduction, remember that's only available if the vehicle is used more than 50% for business purposes. With just monthly rentals to your parents, you might not hit that threshold, so regular depreciation might be your only option initially.

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Layla Mendes

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This is really comprehensive advice! I'm curious about the state licensing requirements you mentioned - do you know if there's a good resource to check what's required by state? I'm in California and want to make sure I'm not missing anything important before I start down this path. Also, regarding the insurance piece - when you say most personal policies don't cover commercial rental, does that mean I'd need a completely separate commercial policy? Or do some insurers offer add-ons for small rental operations like this?

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Miguel Ortiz

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For California specifically, you'll want to check with the DMV and possibly the Public Utilities Commission since they regulate some vehicle rental operations. The California DMV website has a section on business licensing requirements, but honestly it can be pretty confusing to navigate. Regarding insurance, you're right that most personal auto policies explicitly exclude commercial use. You'll likely need either a separate commercial auto policy or a hybrid policy that covers both personal and business use. Some insurers like Progressive and State Farm offer small business auto policies that might work for your situation. I'd recommend calling a few insurance agents and explaining exactly what you plan to do - they can tell you what coverage options are available and what the costs would be. One thing to keep in mind is that platforms like Turo provide their own insurance coverage during rentals, which might be simpler than trying to get commercial coverage for occasional family rentals. But you'd still want to verify that with both Turo and your personal insurance company to make sure there aren't any gaps in coverage.

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Eve Freeman

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One thing I'd add to all this great advice is to make sure you understand the hobby loss rules (Section 183). The IRS has a "3 out of 5 years" test where if your business doesn't show a profit in at least 3 out of 5 consecutive years, they might reclassify it as a hobby and disallow your business deductions. This is especially important for a single-car rental business with limited customers. You need to show that you're genuinely trying to make money, not just offsetting the costs of owning a second car. Keep detailed records of your marketing efforts, rental inquiries (even the ones that don't convert), and any steps you take to expand the business. Also, regarding the $24,000 car purchase - if you do go the Section 179 route, there are annual limits on the deduction ($1,160,000 for 2023, but with phase-out rules). For luxury vehicles there are also additional restrictions, though your price range probably won't trigger those. I'd strongly recommend consulting with a tax professional before making the purchase, especially given the family rental aspect. A few hundred dollars in professional advice upfront could save you thousands if you get audited later.

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This is really helpful information about the hobby loss rules! I hadn't considered the 3-out-of-5 years profit requirement. Given that I'm starting with just one car and primarily family customers, do you think it would be realistic to show a profit in the first few years? I'm wondering if I should maybe start smaller - perhaps just rent to my parents for the first year while I research expanding to other customers, rather than claiming major deductions right away. That way I could build up a track record of legitimate business activity before taking larger tax benefits. Also, when you mention consulting with a tax professional - should I be looking for a CPA who specializes in small business, or would any tax professional be able to help with this type of situation?

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