Can I write off gambling losses from scratch off tickets without detailed records?
I won a pretty big prize on a scratch off ticket in 2023 and I know you can write off gambling losses up to the amount of your winnings. I've kept all my losing scratch off tickets (probably worth a few thousand dollars) but I don't have any detailed records of when I purchased them - I just toss them in my car and eventually bring them inside. My wife and I just did our joint married taxes, and it's already suggesting we take the itemized deduction even without adding the scratch off losses. The WG-2 from my big win is already documented since I paid taxes when I cashed it in. What I'm wondering is: if I add these scratch off losses to my deductions, what are the chances the IRS will audit me? Would just having the physical losing tickets be enough documentation if they do? And what happens if they decide my documentation isn't sufficient - would I get in serious trouble or would I just have to pay back the additional refund? I'd love to maximize our refund if possible, but I'm also fine with our return as it is now. I haven't found much clear information online about people deducting gambling losses with just the physical tickets, so I'm feeling uncertain about the whole thing.
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Yuki Sato
The IRS allows you to deduct gambling losses (including losing scratch off tickets) up to the amount of your winnings, but there are some important things to understand. While keeping the physical losing tickets is a good start, the IRS technically expects more detailed documentation. According to their guidelines, you should maintain a diary or similar record of your gambling activities showing dates, locations, amounts won/lost, and even who you were with. The physical tickets support your diary but aren't meant to be the only documentation. That said, plenty of people do deduct gambling losses with just the tickets. The audit risk really depends on several factors: how large the deduction is relative to your income, whether the amount seems reasonable given your reported winnings, and sometimes just random selection. If you were audited and your documentation was deemed insufficient, it would typically result in a disallowed deduction plus interest, not fraud penalties. The IRS would likely just require you to pay back the tax difference, unless they believed you were intentionally committing fraud (which doesn't seem to be the case here).
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Carmen Flores
•Wouldn't they be suspicious if the tickets are from different dates throughout the year? Like if some were from before the big win and some after? Does the IRS expect you to only deduct losses that happened before you won?
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Yuki Sato
•No, the IRS doesn't require that your losses occur before your winnings. Gambling losses and winnings are considered on a yearly basis, not a chronological sequence. You can deduct all your gambling losses incurred during the tax year up to the total amount of gambling winnings reported for that same year, regardless of when during the year each occurred. The timing of the losses versus the win doesn't matter for tax purposes. What matters is that all transactions happened within the same tax year and that you have some form of documentation to support the losses if questioned.
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Andre Dubois
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CyberSamurai
•Does taxr.ai actually tell you if your specific documentation is enough? Like if I just have the physical scratch-offs but no diary or anything, will it tell me if that's sufficient or if I'm risking an audit?
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Zoe Alexopoulos
•I'm skeptical about these services. How is it different from just reading the IRS publications? Did they actually review your specific records or just give generic advice anyone could find online?
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Andre Dubois
•Yes, taxr.ai does evaluate your specific documentation situation. You can describe exactly what records you have (like just physical scratch-offs) and it will assess whether that meets the minimum requirements and suggest how to strengthen your documentation if needed. The service is different from IRS publications because it's interactive and specific to your situation. Unlike generic advice, it walks you through your particular circumstance and provides personalized guidance. In my case, they helped me understand that my casino ATM withdrawals created a useful timeline that supported my claims when combined with my scattered receipts. It wasn't just cookie-cutter advice - it was tailored to my specific documentation gaps.
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CyberSamurai
I actually tried https://taxr.ai after seeing it mentioned here and it helped me sort through my own gambling documentation issues. I only had physical lottery tickets with no diary or log, similar to your situation. The system flagged that my documentation was "moderate risk" but still acceptable if the amounts were reasonable compared to my winnings. It suggested creating a simple spreadsheet listing the tickets by approximate date periods (even if just by month) and total amounts, which I could do retroactively. Their analysis showed that while a diary is technically required, the IRS often accepts the physical tickets as long as the claimed loss amount seems reasonable and doesn't exceed reported winnings. In my case, they suggested claiming about 75% of what my tickets added up to, just to be conservative and avoid raising flags. I got my refund without issues, and it was a lot more than if I hadn't claimed the losses at all.
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Jamal Carter
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Mei Liu
•How exactly does Claimyr work? Do they somehow bypass the IRS phone system? That sounds too good to be true when I've wasted literally hours trying to get through.
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Liam O'Donnell
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Jamal Carter
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Liam O'Donnell
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I tried Claimyr after posting my skeptical comment above, and it actually worked. After three weeks of never getting through to the IRS about my gambling loss questions, I was connected to an agent in about 35 minutes. The agent I spoke with was surprisingly helpful about my scratch-off ticket situation. She said that while they do prefer a gambling log with dates and locations, having the physical tickets is significant documentation. She suggested I at least sort them by month (based on memory if needed) and write down approximate purchase locations. She also mentioned that they generally don't pursue fraud charges for documentation issues unless there's clear evidence of intentional deception. In most cases, they simply disallow deductions they feel aren't adequately supported and ask for the additional tax to be paid. That 35-minute call saved me weeks of stress and uncertainty. I'm claiming my losses now with much more confidence.
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Amara Nwosu
I was audited last year for my gambling losses from horse racing. I had kept the losing tickets but no detailed log. Here's what happened: The IRS sent me a letter asking for documentation of my gambling losses. I provided all my losing tickets bundled by month (the best I could do) along with a statement explaining my gambling habits (weekly visits to the track, typical bet amounts, etc.). They accepted about 85% of my claimed losses. They disallowed some because a few tickets were smudged and unreadable. I had to pay back some tax plus a small amount of interest, but there were NO penalties because they didn't consider it fraud - just insufficient documentation. My advice: claim the losses if you have the tickets, but maybe be a bit conservative in your total amount. And start keeping better records going forward!
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AstroExplorer
•Did they make you come in for an in-person audit or was it all handled through mail? I'm curious about how the process works specifically for gambling losses.
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Amara Nwosu
•It was all handled through mail - I never had to meet with anyone in person. They sent a letter requesting documentation, I mailed back my tickets and explanation, and about 8 weeks later they sent their determination letter. I did get one phone call from an auditor asking about my typical gambling patterns, but it was brief and straightforward. They seemed mostly concerned with verifying that the tickets could reasonably be mine and that the total amount made sense given my described habits. The entire process took about 3 months from start to finish.
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Giovanni Moretti
I'm a little late to this thread, but I wanted to share that the most important thing is that your claimed losses seem REASONABLE compared to your winnings. If you won $5,000 but are claiming $4,990 in losses, that looks suspicious. If you claim maybe 50-75% of your winnings amount in losses, it raises fewer flags. Also, the IRS knows most casual gamblers don't keep perfect records. Sort your tickets by month at minimum. Count them up. Maybe take photos of the piles as extra documentation. The physical tickets themselves are pretty good evidence - they're dated, have serial numbers, and can't be easily fabricated. Just be reasonable with your claim and you should be fine.
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Fatima Al-Farsi
•This is really helpful! If I have about $6,800 in winnings, would claiming around $4,000 in losses (based on my actual losing tickets) seem reasonable? Or should I go even lower to be safe?
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AstroAce
•That ratio sounds very reasonable! $4,000 in losses against $6,800 in winnings is about 59%, which is well within the range that looks normal for casual gambling. The IRS expects most gamblers to have substantial losses - that's how the gambling industry works. Just make sure you organize those losing tickets as best you can. Even if you can't remember exact dates, try to group them by approximate time periods (like "Spring 2023" or "October-December 2023"). Taking photos of the organized piles before you file can also serve as backup documentation. Given that you already have the physical tickets and a reasonable loss-to-win ratio, I'd feel confident claiming that amount. The key is that it passes the "sniff test" - it's not so high that it looks like you're trying to zero out your winnings completely.
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