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Carmen Ortiz

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Has anyone dealt with state tax treatment of these charitable annuity distributions? My federal return was fine but my state (CA) didn't seem to recognize the charitable aspect and taxed the full distribution.

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Yeah, state tax treatment can differ from federal. In NY where I live, I had to file additional state-specific forms to get the charitable contribution recognized. I'd check if CA has any special forms or if you need to include an explanation with your state return.

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Isla Fischer

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This is a really complex area that trips up a lot of people! I went through something similar last year with my non-qualified annuity. One thing I learned that might help - make sure you understand which portion of your distribution is taxable gain versus return of your basis (the money you originally put in). For non-qualified annuities, only the earnings portion is taxable, not your original contributions. So when you're calculating how much to exclude from taxable income due to the charitable contribution, you need to work with the taxable portion only. Your annuity company should provide documentation showing this breakdown. Also, definitely keep detailed records of the direct payment arrangement with your annuity company. I had to provide a letter from them confirming they made the payment directly to the charity per my instructions. The IRS wants to see that clear paper trail showing you never had constructive receipt of the funds.

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Ruby Knight

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This is really helpful information about the basis vs earnings distinction! I'm new to this community but dealing with a similar situation. Quick question - how did you get the documentation from your annuity company showing the breakdown between taxable gains and return of basis? Did you have to specifically request this, or do they provide it automatically with the 1099-R? I'm worried I might be missing some important paperwork that I'll need when I file. My annuity company just sent me the standard 1099-R but didn't include any breakdown of what portion represents my original contributions versus earnings.

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As someone who just started using SBTPG this year after switching from direct deposit, I really appreciate all the detailed timelines everyone has shared! I was getting anxious seeing my DDD appear on my transcript two days ago with no movement on the SBTPG site, but reading through these responses has given me much more realistic expectations. The pattern seems pretty consistent - 1-3 days from DDD to SBTPG showing "funded," then another 1-2 days to hit your actual bank account. @Harmony Love, for business planning purposes, it sounds like budgeting for 4-5 business days total from when your DDD appears on your transcript to when you can actually access the funds would be the safest approach. I'm definitely going to bookmark this thread for reference next year - the three-phase breakdown really helps understand why this process takes longer than direct IRS deposits!

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@Mohamed Anderson Thanks for sharing your experience as a fellow newcomer to SBTPG! I m'in exactly the same situation - just switched from direct deposit this year and was getting worried when nothing happened immediately after my DDD showed up. Your 4-5 business day buffer for business planning makes a lot of sense, especially after reading everyone s'experiences here. It s'reassuring to know that the anxiety about the timeline is totally normal for first-timers like us! I m'definitely going to adopt the check "once in the morning approach" that several people mentioned rather than refreshing the SBTPG site every few hours. This thread has been incredibly helpful for setting realistic expectations.

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As a newcomer to SBTPG, this thread has been incredibly enlightening! I was getting really anxious about the timeline since my DDD appeared on my transcript three days ago with no movement on the SBTPG site. Reading through everyone's experiences, it's clear that the 1-3 day range from DDD to "funded" status is pretty standard, and I'm right within that window. What really helped me understand the process was @Fidel Carson's three-phase breakdown - it makes so much more sense why there are multiple waiting periods instead of just one simple transfer. For other newcomers like me, I think the key takeaway is patience and realistic expectations. Planning for 4-5 business days total from transcript DDD to actual funds availability seems like the smartest approach for any financial planning. Thanks to everyone who shared their detailed experiences - it's made this waiting period much less stressful!

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@Ivanna St. Pierre I m so'glad this thread has been helpful for you too! As another SBTPG newcomer, I was in the exact same boat - checking the site multiple times a day and getting increasingly worried when nothing changed immediately after my DDD appeared. It s such'a relief to know that 1-3 days is completely normal and that I m not'alone in feeling anxious about the process. The three-phase explanation really is a game-changer for understanding why this isn t just'a simple overnight transfer. I ve also'adopted the once in "the morning checking strategy" that several people mentioned, which has definitely helped my stress levels. For future reference, I m definitely'going to remember that 4-5 business day buffer for any financial planning - much better to be pleasantly surprised than caught off guard! Thanks for sharing your experience and adding to this incredibly helpful discussion.

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Diego Flores

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Wait, I'm confused about something. If you contribute property with a $1,000 basis but $0 fair market value, and later the partnership liquidates and you get nothing back for your interest, do you get to claim a $1,000 loss at that point? Or did you essentially lose the ability to claim that loss by contributing it instead of selling/disposing of it personally?

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You would still eventually get the loss, but timing matters. If you contribute the property and the partnership later liquidates giving you nothing, you'd recognize a loss equal to your remaining basis in the partnership interest (which started at $1,000 but could be adjusted by partnership operations over time). The issue with contributing property with built-in loss is that Section 704(c) requires the built-in loss to be allocated to the contributing partner when the property is sold or otherwise disposed of by the partnership. But you don't lose the loss entirely - it's just a matter of when and how you get to claim it.

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Before you make any decisions about contributing the collectible to the partnership, I'd strongly recommend getting professional advice on this specific situation. Partnership basis rules are one of the more complex areas of tax law, and there are several strategies you might want to consider. One approach others have mentioned is claiming the loss personally before the contribution. Another option could be structuring the partnership agreement to handle the built-in loss allocation more favorably. You might even want to explore whether this qualifies as a theft loss under Section 165, which could give you different tax treatment than a regular capital loss. The key issue is that once you contribute property with built-in loss to a partnership, you're locked into the Section 704(c) allocation rules, which can be restrictive. But if you handle the loss before the contribution, you might have more flexibility and better timing for the tax benefit. I'd suggest consulting with a tax professional who specializes in partnership taxation before you finalize your contribution strategy. The $1,000 loss might be significant enough to warrant getting the planning right from the start.

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Been there! The lockout is super annoying but it's usually because the system is being extra sensitive. Make sure you're using the EXACT refund amount from line 35a of your 1040 (not what you think you'll get). Also try using a different browser or clearing your cache - sometimes that helps with the login issues.

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Gianna Scott

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thanks for the tip about line 35a! i've been using the rounded number this whole time šŸ¤¦ā€ā™€ļø gonna try the different browser thing too

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Ugh this happened to me last month! So frustrating when you just want to check your status. One thing that helped me was making sure I was entering the refund amount EXACTLY as it appears on my return - down to the cent, no rounding. Also try logging in early morning like 6-7am when there's less traffic on their servers. The 24hr lockout sucks but it's better than having your account compromised šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø

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yesss the early morning tip is gold! 6am gang where you at šŸ˜‚ way less frustrating when the site actually loads properly

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Axel Far

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This whole thread has been eye-opening! I'm dealing with a similar situation where I had very little income last year and assumed I didn't need to file. Reading through everyone's experiences, it's clear that filing a zero or low-income return can actually be beneficial in ways I never considered. The point about creating an official record with the IRS makes a lot of sense, especially for future reference. And I had no idea about refundable credits being available even without owing taxes - that seems like something the IRS should make more widely known! I'm definitely going to check out some of the tools mentioned here, particularly for analyzing what credits I might be eligible for. It sounds like there could be money on the table that I'm just leaving behind by not filing. Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences - this community is incredibly helpful for navigating these confusing tax situations that don't fit the "normal" scenarios most tax advice covers.

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Yara Sabbagh

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Absolutely agree! This thread has been a goldmine of practical information. I'm in a similar situation and honestly feel like I've been walking around blind to all these potential benefits. The idea that you can get refunds even with zero income through refundable credits is something I wish was more common knowledge. What really strikes me is how much the "standard" tax advice doesn't cover these edge cases. Most resources assume you have regular W-2 income, but there are so many people in non-traditional situations who could benefit from filing. I'm definitely bookmarking this discussion and plan to explore those analysis tools before the next filing season. It's also reassuring to know there's still time to go back and file for previous years if needed. That three-year window could be really valuable for people who missed out on credits they didn't know existed.

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Natalie Wang

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This thread is incredibly informative! I had a similar situation last year where I was between jobs for most of the year and only had about $800 in unemployment benefits. I initially thought "why bother filing?" but after reading everyone's experiences here, I realize I probably missed out on some benefits. The point about unemployment benefits being taxable income is something I completely overlooked - I just assumed since it was government assistance, it wouldn't count as "real" income for tax purposes. And the mention of refundable credits is fascinating - I had no idea you could potentially get money back even when you barely made anything. I'm particularly interested in the tools people have mentioned for analyzing these non-standard situations. It sounds like there are resources specifically designed for people in our boat, which is refreshing since most mainstream tax advice assumes you have a regular paycheck. One question for those who have filed zero or low-income returns - did you run into any issues with the IRS questioning such a low income filing? I'm always worried about triggering some kind of audit flag, even when doing everything correctly.

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Great question about audit concerns! In my experience, filing a low-income or zero-income return actually reduces audit risk rather than increasing it. The IRS is generally more interested in high-income returns with complex deductions or business income that might be underreported. When you file a return showing minimal income and claiming only standard refundable credits (like EITC or education credits), you're actually being transparent with the IRS about your situation. Not filing when you're eligible for refunds is more likely to cause issues down the line if they ever need to verify your income history. Regarding unemployment benefits - yes, they're definitely taxable income! Many people don't realize this. Even though it's government assistance, it counts as income for tax purposes. The good news is that if you only had $800 in unemployment, your total tax liability would likely be zero anyway, but you might still qualify for refundable credits. I'd recommend using one of those analysis tools mentioned earlier to see what you might have missed for last year, and definitely don't let audit fears prevent you from claiming money you're legitimately owed!

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