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I just want to echo what others have said - don't let the tax software companies scare you with "Schedule 3"! I'm a tax professional and I see this confusion all the time. The most common reason people need Schedule 3 is actually something GOOD for them - it's often because they're owed money back from excess Social Security withholding when they worked multiple jobs. The IRS limits total Social Security tax to $10,788 for 2024 (on income up to $168,600), but if you had two employers, each one withheld Social Security tax separately without knowing about the other job. Before paying TurboTax's upgrade fee, definitely check out the free alternatives people mentioned. The IRS Free File program is legitimate and works with forms like Schedule 3. You can also try FreeTaxUSA or even the IRS's own fillable forms if you're comfortable with a little DIY approach. The bottom line: Schedule 3 sounds scarier than it is, and you have options that won't cost you $49!
This is exactly the kind of professional perspective I was hoping to find! As someone who's been stressing about this whole Schedule 3 situation, it's really reassuring to hear from an actual tax professional that this is common and not as complicated as the software companies make it seem. I worked at a coffee shop and also did some tutoring on the side this year, so the excess Social Security withholding scenario you described sounds like it might apply to me. I'm definitely going to try the IRS Free File program first before giving TurboTax any more money. Thank you for taking the time to explain this - it really helps to get the straight facts from someone who deals with this stuff professionally!
I'm going through the exact same situation right now! TurboTax hit me with that $49 upgrade demand when I got to the Schedule 3 part and I was so frustrated. Reading through all these responses has been incredibly helpful - I had no idea there were so many free alternatives available. I think I'm going to try the IRS Free File program first since my income definitely qualifies, and if that doesn't work out I'll give FreeTaxUSA a shot. It's really annoying how the tax software companies make Schedule 3 sound like this super complicated advanced form when it's apparently just a standard supplement that lots of people need. Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences and solutions - this thread probably just saved me $49 and a lot of unnecessary stress!
I'm so glad this thread is helping people avoid those unnecessary upgrade fees! I went through this same frustration last year and ended up paying the TurboTax fee before I knew about all these free options. This year I used FreeTaxUSA from the start and it handled my Schedule 3 perfectly - saved me money and was actually easier to navigate than TurboTax's interface. The IRS Free File program is definitely worth trying first since it's completely free if you qualify. It's honestly criminal how these companies prey on people's confusion about tax forms that are really pretty standard. Good luck with your filing!
Is there any expiration on capital loss carryovers? I've been carrying some for almost 4 years now.
Nope! Capital losses can be carried forward indefinitely until they're used up. I've been carrying some losses for over 6 years now.
One thing I'd add to the great advice already shared - make sure you're applying your capital loss carryover in the correct order! The IRS requires you to use the oldest carryover losses first (FIFO - first in, first out). Since you had a $20,000 loss in 2022, that entire amount should be applied against your 2023 gains before you can use any losses from 2023 itself. This shouldn't affect your calculation (you'll still net $30,000), but it's important for record-keeping purposes. Also, double-check that you actually filed your 2022 return and properly reported that $20,000 loss. If for some reason it wasn't properly documented on your 2022 Schedule D, you might run into issues when the IRS processes your 2023 return. The carryover amount needs to have a paper trail from your previous filing.
Great point about the FIFO rule! I didn't know about that requirement. Quick question - if I had losses in both 2021 and 2022, do I need to apply the 2021 losses first even if I already used some of them in previous years? I'm trying to make sure I track everything correctly for my upcoming filing.
I'm brand new to this community but had to jump in because I'm literally experiencing this exact same situation right now! My spouse and I just got married last year, moved across states, and filed jointly for the first time. We also received our refund about 3 weeks ago and now have two separate IRS letters showing up in informed delivery today. I was having a complete panic attack until I found this thread! Reading through everyone's experiences has been incredibly calming. It's amazing how common this scenario seems to be for newlyweds who moved and changed their filing status. The explanation about the Individual Master File system from the tax professionals really opened my eyes - I had no idea the IRS kept separate records for each spouse even when filing jointly. What really struck me is how consistent everyone's stories are. Practically every couple in our situation (marriage + move + name change + filing status change) seems to get these routine verification notices a few weeks after their refund processes. The timing aspect is so reassuring too - if there were serious problems, they would have caught them before releasing our money. I'm still nervous waiting for the actual letters to arrive, but I'm feeling much more confident now that this is just boring administrative paperwork rather than anything we need to worry about. Thank you to everyone who shared their experiences - this community has been a lifesaver for managing tax anxiety! I'll definitely be following this thread to see what the mystery letters actually say. Fingers crossed we can all celebrate mundane government paperwork later today! š
Welcome to the community! It's so comforting to see yet another person going through this exact same situation - it really shows how common this is for newlyweds who've had major life changes. I'm also relatively new here but jumped in because I was having the same panic this morning when I saw IRS letters in my informed delivery. This thread has been absolutely amazing for putting things in perspective. The pattern is so clear at this point - couples who got married, moved, changed names, and switched to filing jointly almost always get these routine verification notices. It's like we all triggered the same administrative flags in the IRS system! The Individual Master File explanation really was eye-opening for me too. It makes perfect sense that they'd need to update records individually even when we file together, especially with all the changes we've had. And you're so right about the timing being reassuring - getting letters AFTER our refunds processed is actually a positive sign rather than something to worry about. I'm still anxiously waiting for my mail to arrive, but I'm feeling much more confident now that we're all going to be updating this thread later with stories about boring paperwork rather than anything dramatic. It's been such a relief to connect with so many others going through the same experience! Thanks for sharing your story - we're definitely all in this together! š¤
I'm completely new to this community but had to join after stumbling across this thread while frantically googling "why did IRS send me letters after refund" - I'm in the EXACT same situation! My husband and I got married 8 months ago, moved states twice for his job, and just filed jointly for the first time. Got our refund 3 weeks ago and now there are two separate IRS letters in informed delivery. I've been a wreck all day! This thread has been such a lifesaver though - I can't believe how many people have dealt with this identical scenario. The consistency is incredible and really reassuring. Between getting married, changing my name, moving multiple times, and switching from single to married filing jointly, we basically hit every trigger for routine verification notices that everyone's mentioned. The explanation about Individual Master File updates makes so much sense now. I was completely panicking thinking we'd made some catastrophic error, but hearing from actual tax professionals that this is standard administrative stuff for couples in our situation has really calmed me down. Plus the timing factor - getting notices AFTER our refund processed successfully - seems to be a really positive sign. Thank you to everyone who shared their experiences and expertise! I'll definitely be refreshing this thread obsessively waiting to see what the original poster's letters actually say. Hoping we can all celebrate boring government paperwork together! š¤
I think there's some confusion in this thread about when HSAs actually make sense to use. I've had an HSA for 9 years and have never spent a penny from it - I pay all medical expenses out of pocket and keep the receipts. Why? Because HSAs are actually the ultimate retirement hack if you can afford to use them this way. The money: - Goes in tax-free (reducing your taxable income) - Grows tax-free (through investments) - Comes out tax-free for medical expenses (no matter when they occurred) So to the original poster - if you can afford it, consider paying those medical bills out of pocket, taking the itemized deduction for expenses over 7.5% of AGI this year, but KEEPING all your receipts. Then in retirement, you can reimburse yourself tax-free from your (hopefully much larger) HSA. Just make sure your HSA was established before you incurred the expenses you plan to reimburse later!
This strategy sounds incredible but I'm confused about the record-keeping. How do you keep receipts for potentially decades? Do you just have a folder of medical receipts that you're holding onto until retirement? What if the ink fades or you lose them?
Great question about record-keeping! I scan all my medical receipts to PDF and store them in multiple places - cloud storage, external hard drive, and I even email them to myself for an extra backup. The key is to make sure you have the date, provider, amount, and description of service clearly visible. I organize them by year in digital folders and keep a simple spreadsheet tracking each expense with the date, amount, and what it was for. Some people also take photos with their phone immediately after getting medical care - just make sure the image is clear and readable. The IRS doesn't specify a particular format for keeping these records, but they do want to see proof that the expense was legitimate and occurred after your HSA was established. Digital copies are totally acceptable as long as they're legible. One tip: if you're doing this long-term strategy, consider keeping a running total of your "unreimbursed qualified expenses" so you know exactly how much you can pull out tax-free in the future!
I'm new to HSAs and this thread has been incredibly helpful! I've been reading through all the strategies you've shared and I think I understand the basics now, but I have one practical question. When you're tracking expenses for potential future HSA reimbursement, do you need to keep receipts for EVERYTHING medical-related, or just the bigger expenses? Like, should I be saving receipts for every $20 copay and prescription, or is it mainly worth it for the larger bills like surgeries, specialist visits, etc.? I'm asking because I'm 28 and healthy now, but I want to start this strategy early if it makes sense. Just trying to figure out how detailed I need to be with the record-keeping from day one. Also, does anyone know if there are any good apps or tools specifically designed for tracking these unreimbursed HSA-eligible expenses over the long term? I feel like I need a system or I'll definitely lose track of things over the years.
Great question! I'd definitely recommend tracking everything, even the small copays and prescriptions. Here's why: those $20-30 expenses really add up over decades, and you're young enough that this could be a significant amount by retirement. Think about it - if you average just $500/year in small medical expenses over 35 years, that's $17,500 you could potentially pull out tax-free later. Plus, when you're older and possibly in a higher tax bracket, that tax-free withdrawal becomes even more valuable. For apps, I've been using a simple combination of the CamScanner app (to quickly photograph receipts) and a Google Sheets spreadsheet to track running totals. Some people love using apps like Shoeboxed or Evernote for receipt organization. The key is picking something you'll actually stick with consistently. One pro tip: set a monthly reminder to scan/photograph any medical receipts and update your tracking spreadsheet. If you wait too long, receipts fade and you forget details. I do mine the first Sunday of every month - takes maybe 10 minutes but keeps everything organized!
NeonNomad
The waiting is brutal, I feel you! I'm going through something similar - been waiting 11 months for my refund and just got assigned an advocate last week. From what I've read, the 4-12 week timeframe that Malik mentioned seems pretty accurate. The advocate has to actually investigate what's causing the delay and work with different IRS departments to fix it. At least you're in the system now and have someone specifically working on your case. That's more progress than most people get! Keep us posted on how it goes.
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Sofia Gutierrez
ā¢Thanks for the encouragement! It's nice to know I'm not alone in this mess. 11 months is rough too - hopefully your advocate moves faster than mine seems to be. I'll definitely update if anything happens. This whole process has been such a nightmare but at least we're finally getting some help, even if it's taking forever š¤
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Ahooker-Equator
I went through this exact situation last year. Got assigned a Taxpayer Advocate in March after waiting 13 months, and it took another 8 weeks before I saw any real movement. The advocate actually called me around week 5 to update me that they had identified the issue (some coding error on the IRS side) and were working to resolve it. Don't give up hope - 3 weeks is still early in the process. The advocate system really does work, it just moves at government speed unfortunately. Try to get the direct phone number for your specific advocate if you don't already have it, makes follow-up much easier.
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Sofia Gomez
ā¢That's really helpful to hear from someone who actually went through it! 8 weeks total doesn't sound too bad considering how long we've already been waiting. Getting a direct number for the advocate is great advice - I'm definitely going to ask for that next time I call. It's encouraging that they actually called you with an update partway through. Hopefully my advocate will do the same soon š¤
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