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Hey GalaxyGlider! I went through almost the exact same thing last year - got that weird "TAX REFUND PROC for RFND DISB" description and was missing about $900 from my expected refund. That description is totally normal, so don't worry about it being fraudulent. The missing $1,150 is most likely due to an offset through the Treasury Offset Program. This happens when you have outstanding federal debts like defaulted student loans, unpaid child support, or even old tax debts you might have forgotten about. The frustrating part is they don't warn you beforehand - you just get less money than expected. Here's what helped me get answers immediately instead of waiting weeks for a letter: **Call 1-800-304-3107** (Treasury Offset Program) - They can tell you right away if any agency claimed part of your refund and which debt it went toward. This was a game-changer for me. **Check your IRS online account** at irs.gov/account - Look for any notices that might already be posted there before the paper letter arrives. **Get your tax transcript** - Request a "2023 Account Transcript" online. It shows all the transaction codes and will have a code 846 for what they sent you, plus any offset codes. In my case, it turned out to be an old student loan from years ago that had gone into default without me realizing it. I was even able to get a partial refund back by proving financial hardship. Don't panic - your money went somewhere legitimate, you just need to figure out where!
This is incredibly helpful, Benjamin! I'm definitely going to call that Treasury Offset Program number first thing tomorrow. I'm really hoping it's not a student loan issue since I thought I was current on everything, but like you said, old debts can resurface unexpectedly. The tax transcript option sounds really useful too - I had no idea those transaction codes would show exactly where the money went. It's such a relief to know there are ways to get immediate answers instead of just sitting here worried for weeks. Quick question - when you called 1-800-304-3107, were you able to get through easily or did you have to wait on hold for a long time? I'm trying to plan when to call so I don't waste half my day on hold. Thanks so much for sharing your experience and all these specific steps. It really helps to hear from someone who's been through the exact same situation!
@Benjamin Carter When I called that Treasury Offset Program number, the wait time was actually pretty reasonable - maybe 15-20 minutes on hold. Much better than trying to get through to the IRS directly, which can take hours during tax season. I d'recommend calling early in the morning around (8-9 AM when) they first open, or right after lunch around 1-2 PM. Those tend to be the best times to get through quickly. Avoid calling on Mondays or right after major holidays when everyone else is calling too. The agent I spoke with was really helpful and could immediately tell me exactly which agency had claimed my refund and the amount. They also gave me the contact information for the specific agency so I could follow up directly about payment arrangements or hardship options. Hope this helps with your timing! Let us know what you find out when you call.
I've been dealing with IRS refund issues for years as a tax preparer, and this situation is unfortunately very common. The "TAX REFUND PROC for RFND DISB" description is completely legitimate - it's just how certain bank systems display Treasury-processed refunds. Your missing $1,150 is almost certainly due to an offset. The Treasury Offset Program automatically intercepts refunds to pay outstanding federal debts, and they're legally required to do this before you even receive the money. Common reasons include: - Defaulted federal student loans (even old ones you might have forgotten) - Past-due child support obligations - Unpaid federal taxes from previous years - Overpaid unemployment benefits or other federal program debts The quickest way to find out exactly what happened is to call the Bureau of Fiscal Service at 1-800-304-3107. They handle all federal offsets and can tell you immediately which agency claimed your money and the exact amount. This is much faster than waiting for the IRS notice, which can take 4-6 weeks. Also check your IRS online account at irs.gov/account - sometimes offset notices appear there before the paper letter arrives. Don't stress too much - your money went toward a legitimate debt, and in some cases you may be able to request a partial return if you qualify for hardship exemptions.
As someone who just went through this exact same situation last month, I can confirm everything Rudy said is spot on. I was missing $800 from my expected refund and that Bureau of Fiscal Service number (1-800-304-3107) was a lifesaver. I called and found out within 10 minutes that my money went toward an old student loan I had completely forgotten about from college. The agent was really helpful and even explained that I might be able to get some of it back if I could prove current financial hardship. What really caught me off guard was that I never got any advance notice - one day I was expecting my full refund, the next day I had $800 less with no explanation until I made that call. The IRS notice didn't arrive for another 3 weeks after I had already figured everything out. @GalaxyGlider definitely call that number as soon as possible. Even if it's not great news, at least you'll know exactly what's going on instead of wondering and worrying for weeks!
The IRS is such a joke fr taking 6 months to verify basic info π€‘
Wow, 6 months is insane but at least you got it sorted! Looking at all those codes and adjustments, it seems like the IRS was doing a deep dive review of your return. The fact that they reduced your prior tax assessment by over $6k in September suggests they found something significant in your favor. Quick question - did you have any major life changes or income sources that might have triggered the initial freeze? Trying to figure out if there's a pattern to these long delays π€
Same here, trying to understand what triggers these freezes! @NeonNomad did you have any W2 vs 1099 discrepancies or maybe unreported income that showed up later? The $6k adjustment is huge - that's gotta be more than just a simple verification issue right?
Quick question - does anyone know if this NUA strategy still makes sense if you're going to be in a lower tax bracket in retirement? I'm trying to decide between traditional NUA and just rolling everything to an IRA and taking distributions later.
The NUA strategy tends to be most beneficial when: 1. You have significant appreciation in the employer stock 2. The difference between your ordinary income tax rate and capital gains rate is substantial 3. You need access to the funds before typical retirement age If you'll be in a significantly lower tax bracket in retirement, and don't need the funds soon, it might make more sense to roll everything into the IRA. That way you'll pay the lower ordinary income tax rate on distributions in retirement rather than paying some tax now at your current higher rate.
Thanks for breaking that down so clearly. I'm about 10 years from retirement and expect to be in a much lower bracket then. My company stock has appreciated a lot but I don't need the funds anytime soon, so it sounds like maybe the traditional IRA rollover is better in my case. Would love to avoid paying my current high tax rate if I can help it!
This is a great discussion and really helpful for understanding NUA taxation. One thing I'd add for anyone considering this strategy - make sure to understand the timing requirements. You have to take the entire distribution of your employer stock in the same tax year to qualify for NUA treatment. You can't spread it out over multiple years. Also, there's a "lump sum distribution" requirement that means you have to distribute your entire 401k balance within one tax year after a qualifying event (like separation from service). You can't just take out the employer stock and leave other funds in the 401k. The IRS is pretty strict about these requirements, so if you're planning an NUA transaction, work closely with both your 401k provider and tax advisor to make sure you meet all the criteria. Missing any of these requirements means you lose the favorable tax treatment and everything gets taxed as ordinary income.
This is exactly the kind of detail I was missing! I had no idea about the lump sum distribution requirement or that everything had to happen within the same tax year. My 401k provider mentioned NUA as an option but didn't explain all these timing restrictions. So just to make sure I understand - if I want to do NUA with my employer stock, I have to distribute my ENTIRE 401k balance (not just the stock portion) in the same tax year? And I can roll the non-stock portions to an IRA but the stock has to come out to a taxable account to get NUA treatment? This definitely changes my planning timeline. I was thinking I could take my time with this decision, but it sounds like once I trigger a qualifying event, I need to move quickly to meet all the requirements.
For Pennsylvania residents filing 2020 Form 1040 with payment, the correct address is indeed the Cincinnati service center that Javier mentioned. However, I'd strongly recommend double-checking this on the current IRS website since mailing addresses can occasionally change. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet - since you're filing so late, you might want to consider requesting penalty relief if you have reasonable cause. The IRS can waive failure-to-file and failure-to-pay penalties (though not interest) in certain circumstances like serious illness, natural disasters, or other situations beyond your control. You'd need to include Form 843 (Claim for Refund and Request for Abatement) with your return if you want to request this. Also, make sure you're using the 2020 version of Form 1040 and its instructions, not the current year's form. You can download it from the IRS website under "Prior Year Products." The tax law and forms do change from year to year, so using the correct year's forms is important. Definitely use certified mail with return receipt requested so you have proof of mailing and delivery!
This is really helpful advice about Form 843 for penalty relief! I had no idea that was even an option. Quick question - if I'm filing this late because I was dealing with a serious medical issue in 2020-2021, what kind of documentation would I need to include with Form 843? Like medical records or just a doctor's note? I'm worried about sending too much personal health information through the mail.
For medical situations, you typically don't need to send detailed medical records - a letter from your doctor or medical professional explaining that you had a serious illness during the relevant time period that prevented you from meeting your tax obligations is usually sufficient. The letter should include: - The approximate dates you were affected - A general description that the condition prevented you from handling tax matters (without going into specific medical details) - The doctor's contact information and signature You can also include a brief personal statement explaining how the medical issue specifically prevented you from filing on time. The IRS understands privacy concerns, so they don't expect you to divulge your complete medical history - just enough documentation to show reasonable cause. Keep copies of everything you send, and consider sending the Form 843 request separately from your tax return if you're concerned about processing delays. That way your return can be processed while they review your penalty abatement request separately.
Just to add another perspective - if you're really concerned about your late 2020 return getting lost in the mail or taking forever to process, you might want to consider hiring a tax professional to help you navigate this situation. Many CPAs and enrolled agents have direct lines to IRS practitioner hotlines that can be much more efficient than trying to get through as an individual taxpayer. A tax pro can also help you calculate the exact penalties and interest you'll owe, determine if you qualify for any penalty relief, and ensure your return is prepared correctly to avoid any processing delays or audit flags. Yes, it costs money, but if you're dealing with a complex situation or significant tax liability, the peace of mind and potential savings from their expertise often outweigh the fees. Also, for future reference - the IRS offers payment plans if you can't pay your full tax liability at once. Even for late returns, you can set up an installment agreement either online or by including Form 9465 with your return. This can help manage the financial impact of those accumulated penalties and interest.
This is excellent advice about getting professional help! I'm in a similar situation with multiple late returns (2020 and 2021) and was feeling completely overwhelmed trying to figure out penalties, interest calculations, and whether I qualify for any relief programs. The practitioner hotline access is something I hadn't considered - it makes sense that tax professionals would have better ways to get through to the IRS than regular taxpayers calling the main number. At this point, paying for professional help might actually save me money in the long run if they can help me avoid mistakes or find deductions I'm missing. Do you happen to know if CPAs typically charge extra for dealing with late/prior year returns, or is it usually just their standard preparation fee? I'm trying to budget for this properly since I'm already facing penalties and interest on top of what I originally owed.
Amina Diallo
Has anyone handled mileage reimbursement for their nanny? Mine uses her personal car to take our kids to activities a few times a week, and I've been paying her the standard IRS mileage rate (65.5 cents per mile in 2023) based on a log she keeps. I'm treating these as non-taxable reimbursements, but I'm not 100% sure that's correct.
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Oliver Schulz
β’You're handling it correctly. As long as you're reimbursing at or below the standard mileage rate AND she's keeping a log with dates, destinations, and mileage for each trip, those reimbursements aren't taxable. My CPA confirmed this for me last year. Just make sure she's not including personal mileage or commuting (from her home to yours), as those wouldn't qualify for tax-free reimbursement.
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Connor Byrne
This is such a helpful thread! I'm dealing with similar issues as a new household employer. One thing I'd add about the accountable plan - make sure you're clear about what constitutes a "business purpose" for your nanny's expenses. I learned the hard way that while admission to educational activities (museums, zoo, science centers) typically qualify as legitimate childcare expenses, things like birthday party gifts or personal snacks for the nanny herself don't meet the business connection requirement. Also, for anyone considering the educational assistance program route - check if your state has any additional requirements. Some states have their own rules about what constitutes taxable vs. non-taxable educational benefits for household employees. California, for example, has some specific guidance that differs slightly from federal rules. The documentation piece cannot be overstated. I now have my nanny submit a simple expense report monthly with receipts attached, and it's made tax time so much smoother. Having that paper trail makes all the difference if you're ever questioned about your treatment of these expenses.
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Chloe Davis
β’This is exactly the kind of comprehensive guidance I was hoping to find! The distinction about what qualifies as "business purpose" is really important - I've been second-guessing myself on some expenses. Your point about state-specific rules is something I hadn't even considered. I'm in New York and now I'm wondering if there are additional requirements I should be aware of. Do you happen to know where to find state-specific guidance on household employee benefits, or is this something I'd need to research through the state tax department? The monthly expense report system sounds like a great approach. Right now I'm just collecting receipts in a shoebox which is definitely not going to work come tax time!
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