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As someone who went through this exact process a few years ago, I want to emphasize something that really helped me: keep detailed records of EVERYTHING from day one. Create a simple spreadsheet tracking: - Your arrival date and every time you leave/re-enter the US - All income sources (stipend, TA/RA payments, scholarships, etc.) - Any tax documents you receive (1042-S, 1098-T, etc.) - Communications with your university's payroll about tax treaty benefits The record-keeping becomes absolutely crucial when you transition from nonresident to resident alien status after 5 years. I wish someone had told me this earlier - it would have saved me hours of trying to reconstruct my tax history. Also, regarding your question about retirement plans: even though you can participate in university retirement plans as an F1 student, be aware that if you eventually return to your home country, accessing those funds early may trigger penalties. Consider whether it makes sense for your specific situation. One last tip: if your home country has a totalization agreement with the US, keep records of your Social Security contributions once you become a resident alien. This can help you qualify for benefits in either country later, even if you don't stay in the US for the full 10 years typically required.
This is incredibly helpful advice! I never thought about the record-keeping aspect, but you're absolutely right - I should start documenting everything from the moment I arrive. Quick question about the totalization agreements - do you know if there's an easy way to find out if my home country has one with the US? I tried searching on the Social Security Administration website but it's not very clear. Also, regarding the retirement plan participation, that's a great point about early withdrawal penalties. Since I'm planning to return home after my PhD, it might not make financial sense to contribute. Did you end up participating in your university's retirement plan, and if so, how did you handle it when you left the US? Thanks for taking the time to share your experience - it's exactly the kind of real-world perspective I was hoping to find!
@ac68532f8d25 Great question about totalization agreements! The Social Security Administration website has a specific section for international agreements. You can find a complete list at ssa.gov/international/agreements_overview.html - it covers about 30 countries including most of Europe, Canada, Australia, Japan, and South Korea. Regarding retirement plans, I did participate in my university's 403(b) plan, but only contributed enough to get any employer match (free money is still free money!). When I left the US, I had a few options: - Leave the funds invested until age 59.5 (no early withdrawal penalty) - Roll over to an IRA and manage it remotely - Take an early distribution (10% penalty plus taxes) I chose to leave the funds invested since I was only 28 when I left. Even with the currency exchange considerations, the tax-deferred growth made it worthwhile for my situation. One thing I didn't mention earlier: if you're from a country with a tax treaty that has a "saving clause," you might still owe taxes to your home country on US retirement plan distributions later. It's worth checking with a tax professional in your home country about this before contributing significant amounts. The record-keeping really is crucial though - I can't stress this enough! Immigration lawyers later told me my detailed spreadsheet helped tremendously when I applied for other visas, since it showed clear compliance with tax obligations.
This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm also an incoming F1 PhD student and had similar fears about making tax mistakes. Reading through everyone's experiences has been reassuring. One thing I wanted to add that might help other international students: check if your university has an International Student Services office that specifically helps with tax questions. Mine scheduled a group session just for international students before tax season, and they walked through examples of filling out Form 8843 and Form 1040NR. They also explained something I didn't know - that even if you don't owe any taxes (due to treaty benefits or low income), you still need to file these forms to maintain your nonresident status. Missing these filings can actually affect your ability to claim treaty benefits in future years. @af00013caca2 For your specific situation with the PhD stipend, definitely reach out to your graduate school's financial aid office. They should be able to tell you exactly how your funding is classified (scholarship vs. wages) and whether any portion qualifies for treaty benefits. This classification makes a huge difference in your tax liability. Also, don't forget that many states don't tax scholarships used for tuition and required fees, even if the federal government does. So even if part of your funding is taxable federally, you might save money at the state level. The learning curve is steep, but you've got this! The international student community is usually very supportive when it comes to sharing tax experiences.
@af00013caca2 @63a0a9e23046 This is such valuable information! I'm also starting my F1 journey next fall and honestly had no idea about the filing requirements even when you don't owe taxes. That's exactly the kind of detail that could trip up newcomers like us. I wanted to ask - for those group sessions your university held, did they cover what happens if you mess up your first year filing? Like if you accidentally file the wrong forms or miss a deadline? I'm terrified of making a mistake that could affect my visa status later. Also, regarding the scholarship vs wages classification - is this something that's consistent across universities, or does each school handle it differently? I'm trying to understand if I should expect my TA stipend to be treated the same way everywhere or if it varies by institution. Thanks for mentioning the state tax benefits too! I'll be in Texas, so I'm hoping the no state income tax situation will simplify things at least on that front. It's really encouraging to see how supportive everyone is being in this thread. The international student tax situation seemed so overwhelming before, but breaking it down like this makes it feel much more manageable.
Based on everyone's experiences shared here, it sounds like you're in a similar situation to what many others have faced. The key seems to be getting proper medical documentation that supports the "substantial assistance" requirement, regardless of how the facility describes the level of help. Since your parents have arthritis affecting their ability to dress themselves (needing help with socks, shoes, and buttons), I'd recommend getting their doctor to complete Form 2652 specifically documenting that they require substantial assistance with both bathing and dressing due to their medical condition. The fact that they physically cannot complete these tasks without help due to arthritis should qualify as "substantial assistance" even if the facility calls it "moderate." The medical necessity aspect seems to carry more weight with the IRS than the exact terminology used by care facilities. Given that we're talking about potentially significant deduction amounts, it's probably worth the effort to get the proper medical certification and documentation in place.
This is exactly the guidance I was looking for! Thank you Benjamin. It sounds like the medical documentation route is definitely the way to go rather than getting hung up on whether "moderate" vs "substantial" terminology meets the threshold. I'm going to schedule an appointment with their primary care physician to get Form 2652 completed, making sure to emphasize the arthritis impact on their daily functioning. Reading through everyone's experiences here, it seems like having that medical backing makes all the difference in supporting the deduction. Really appreciate everyone sharing their real-world experiences with this - it's so much more helpful than trying to interpret the IRS publications on my own!
One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that the IRS also considers someone "chronically ill" if they require substantial supervision to protect their health and safety due to severe cognitive impairment. This might not apply to your parents' situation since they're in independent living, but it's worth noting for others reading this thread. Also, keep detailed records of all the assistance your parents receive - even things like medication reminders or safety checks. Sometimes facilities provide more medical-type services than initially apparent, and these can strengthen your case for the chronically ill designation. The more comprehensive medical documentation you have, the stronger your position will be if questioned. Good luck with getting Form 2652 completed - that really does seem to be the key piece of documentation that makes the difference between partial and full deductibility!
That's a really good point about the cognitive impairment pathway - I hadn't considered that alternative definition. Even though my parents are mentally sharp, it's helpful to know there are multiple ways someone can qualify as "chronically ill" under the tax code. Your suggestion about documenting all the assistance they receive is spot on too. Looking back at their care plan, they do get medication reminders twice daily and wellness checks, which I hadn't really thought of as "medical services" before. These might help build a stronger case for the overall medical necessity of their care arrangement. Thanks for the additional insights! It's amazing how much more complex this gets once you start digging into all the details.
One thing to keep in mind with vacant land investments is the concept of "holding period" for tax purposes. Since you mentioned you're considering building on it eventually for personal use, you'll want to be very clear about when that transition happens. The IRS looks at your primary intent at the time of purchase and your ongoing actions. If you originally bought it as an investment (which sounds like your case), you can generally continue treating it that way until you take concrete steps toward personal use - like applying for building permits, hiring contractors, or starting construction. Also, don't forget that if you do any improvements to the land while it's still an investment property (like clearing, grading, utilities hookups), those costs can be added to your basis, which will help reduce any taxable gain when you eventually sell or convert it. Keep detailed records of all expenses related to the property during its investment phase.
This is really helpful information about holding period and intent! I'm curious about the timing aspect - if I start getting serious about building (like getting quotes from contractors or researching permits) but haven't actually filed anything yet, does that trigger the conversion? Or is it only when I take official action like actually applying for permits? I want to make sure I'm handling the transition properly from a tax perspective, especially since I've been taking the investment interest deductions. Don't want to mess up the timing and create issues with the IRS later.
Great question! The IRS generally looks at when you take "definitive steps" toward personal use rather than just preliminary research. Getting quotes and researching permits is usually considered due diligence and doesn't automatically trigger conversion. The conversion typically occurs when you take concrete, committed actions like actually filing permit applications, signing construction contracts, or beginning site preparation work specifically for your personal residence. Even then, some tax professionals argue the conversion happens when you actually start using it as your personal residence rather than when construction begins. The key is being consistent in your treatment and having clear documentation of when your intent definitively changed from investment to personal use. I'd recommend consulting with a tax professional as you get closer to that transition point, since the timing can significantly impact your tax situation - especially regarding any depreciation recapture if you've been claiming depreciation on the land improvements.
I've been in a similar situation with vacant land, and one thing that really helped me was keeping a detailed investment journal from day one. I document everything - market research I do on the area, comparable sales I look up, any inquiries about potential uses, and even notes from conversations with real estate agents about appreciation potential. This documentation has been invaluable not just for tax purposes, but also for my own decision-making. When I eventually do convert to personal use, I'll have a clear paper trail showing my investment intent and activities throughout the holding period. Also, something I learned the hard way - if you're planning to eventually build on the property, consider having a survey done while it's still in investment status. Survey costs are deductible as investment expenses, and you'll need one anyway for construction. Better to get that deduction while you can rather than treating it as a personal expense later.
This is excellent advice about keeping an investment journal! I wish I had started doing this from the beginning. The survey tip is particularly smart - I never would have thought about timing that expense to get the investment deduction rather than treating it as a personal cost later. Do you have any other examples of expenses that are better to incur while the property is still classified as investment? I'm thinking things like soil tests, environmental assessments, or utility feasibility studies might fall into this category too. It seems like there could be several items that serve both investment analysis purposes and future personal use planning.
This is definitely a good sign! I went through the exact same thing about 3 weeks ago. The all-zeros transcript means your return is officially in the IRS system and being processed - it's like getting a "we received your package" notification when you ship something. From my experience and what I've seen others report, you're probably looking at about a week before you see the actual codes and numbers populate. When it does update, you'll likely see code 150 first (which means return filed), then hopefully code 846 (refund issued) shortly after. The Feb 2025 date is just a system placeholder - ignore it completely. I was worried about that too but it means nothing for your actual timeline. For planning your summer budget, I'd estimate you're probably 1-2 weeks out from having a concrete refund date, assuming no issues with your return. Keep checking daily - once it starts updating, it usually happens pretty quickly!
Thanks for sharing your experience @Kaiya Rivera! It's really reassuring to hear from someone who went through this recently. Quick question - when your transcript updated with the actual codes, did it happen all at once or did you see them appear gradually over a few days? I'm trying to figure out if I should expect everything to populate at once or if it might be a step-by-step process. Also, did your WMR tool update around the same time as your transcript, or was there a delay between them?
@Kaiya Rivera For me, the codes appeared all at once when the transcript updated! I checked one morning and still had all zeros, then that same afternoon everything was there - code 150, my refund amount, and even the 846 code with my DDD direct (deposit date .)It was like flipping a switch. As for WMR vs transcript timing, my transcript updated about 12-18 hours before WMR showed any changes. So definitely keep checking your transcript daily since it seems to be the faster indicator. The waiting is nerve-wracking but once things start moving, they move fast!
I'm going through this exact same situation right now! Filed in mid-February and just got access to my 2024 transcript yesterday - all zeros just like yours. It's actually really comforting to see so many people confirming this is normal and a good sign. I was starting to worry something was wrong since it took so long for the transcript to even show up. The hardest part is the waiting when you're trying to plan ahead financially. I'm in a similar boat - trying to figure out some home repairs and whether I should wait for the refund or just go ahead and put it on credit. Sounds like we're both probably looking at another week or so based on everyone's experiences here. Thanks for posting this question! Sometimes it feels like you're the only one dealing with these IRS mysteries, but clearly we're all in the same confusing boat together. I'll definitely be checking my transcript daily now that I know what to look for. Fingers crossed we both see those real numbers soon! π€
@Carmen Diaz I totally feel you on the financial planning stress! I m'actually in a similar spot - trying to decide whether to book our family vacation now or wait for the refund to clear. It s'so frustrating when you re'trying to be responsible with budgeting but the IRS timeline is such a mystery. At least now I know this all-zeros thing is actually progress and not some weird glitch. The fact that so many people here have been through the exact same pattern is really reassuring. Here s'hoping we both see those magical codes pop up in the next few days! π
Camila Jordan
One thing I haven't seen mentioned - If your wife already owned her house before marriage and you owned your condo before marriage, be careful about how you're filing. In some states, property owned before marriage remains separate property, which can affect how the rental income and expenses should be reported. If the condo is still in your name only, and not jointly with your wife, you might need to file Schedule E under just your name, not jointly. The LLC complicates things further. You should really consult with a CPA who specializes in real estate, not just a general tax preparer.
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Angelica Smith
β’That's a great point I hadn't considered. The condo is still in my name only, but we created the LLC together with both our names. Does that change how I should report this on Schedule E? Should I be filing the rental income/expenses through the LLC instead?
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Camila Jordan
β’Since the property is still in your name but the LLC has both names, you have a few options. If the LLC is a single-member LLC (taxed as a disregarded entity), you could report it on Schedule E under your name. If it's a multi-member LLC (partnership by default), you'd need to file Form 1065 for the partnership and receive K-1s. In your specific case, since the property hasn't been formally transferred to the LLC (which would require a deed transfer), you might still report it on Schedule E personally. However, the fact that you created an LLC with both names suggests you intended it to be a partnership activity. This is definitely one area where a real estate tax specialist could save you headaches. They might suggest either: 1) formally transferring the property to the LLC, or 2) filing Form 8832 to elect how you want the LLC to be taxed. Don't just follow what your current tax preparer says if they don't specifically understand rental property taxation.
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TillyCombatwarrior
Your tax preparer is being overly cautious. You absolutely can and should claim legitimate rental property expenses on Schedule E even without rental income yet. The IRS allows deductions for properties that are "placed in service" - meaning ready and available for rent - regardless of whether you've found tenants. The fact that you're actively showing the property and being selective about tenants actually strengthens your position. This demonstrates genuine business intent, not a hobby activity. Keep detailed records of your marketing efforts, showings, and communications with potential renters. A few key points for your situation: - Document everything: receipts, photos of work done, rental listings, showing appointments - The LLC formation date doesn't determine "placed in service" - it's when you first made the property available for rent - Start keeping a mileage log NOW for any rental-related trips with the truck - Consider finding a tax professional who specializes in rental properties if your current preparer won't file Schedule E The IRS has consistently ruled in favor of taxpayers who can demonstrate legitimate business purpose and proper documentation. Your expenses are real business costs that should be deductible. Don't let fear of an audit prevent you from claiming legitimate deductions you're entitled to take.
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