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Has anyone used TurboTax to handle this situation? I'm trying to figure out where exactly to enter the prorated amounts. The interface is confusing me - when I enter my property tax on the rental screen, it doesn't seem to ask about partial year use.
TurboTax doesn't directly ask about proration - you need to do the math yourself before entering. When it asks for "property taxes paid" on the rental property screens, just enter the prorated amount for the rental period. Don't enter the full year amount and expect the software to figure out the split. Calculate what portion applies to the rental period and enter only that amount.
This is such a common confusion point! I went through the same thing when I converted my primary residence to a rental mid-year. You're absolutely correct to prorate - only include the property taxes for July through December on Schedule E. One thing I learned the hard way is to keep really good records of the conversion date and your calculation method. I created a simple spreadsheet showing the total annual property tax, the rental period (6 months out of 12), and the prorated amount. This documentation came in handy when my CPA reviewed my return. Also, if you're in a state where property taxes are paid in arrears or have weird billing cycles, make sure you're matching the payment date to the period it covers. Some areas bill for the previous year, which can create additional complexity in your first year as a landlord. The lack of explanation for Line 16 in the instructions is frustrating, but you're thinking about it the right way!
Thanks for sharing your experience! The spreadsheet documentation tip is really helpful - I'm definitely going to create something similar to track my calculations. Quick question about the payment timing issue you mentioned - my property taxes are due twice a year (January and July), and I converted to rental in July. The January payment I made while living there covered January-June, and the July payment covers July-December. So it sounds like only the July payment would go on Schedule E, right? Want to make sure I'm understanding the timing aspect correctly before I finalize everything.
I just went through this exact situation last year and want to emphasize how important it is to get this right! FGTS absolutely needs to be reported on FBAR - I learned this the hard way after initially thinking it didn't count since it's not a traditional bank account. A couple of additional tips from my experience: 1. If you're having trouble getting your FGTS balance history, you can actually contact Caixa EconΓ΄mica Federal directly through their international support. They were surprisingly helpful when I explained I needed the information for US tax compliance. 2. Don't forget that if you had any 13th salary deposits or other bonus payments that went into your FGTS, these could have pushed your balance higher at certain points during the year. 3. Keep detailed records of how you calculated the USD amounts - I created a simple spreadsheet showing the Brazilian Real amounts and the Treasury exchange rates I used for each reporting period. The penalties for getting FBAR wrong are no joke, so when in doubt, report it. I'd rather be overly cautious than face potential fines that could be thousands of dollars per unreported account.
This is such valuable advice, especially about contacting Caixa directly for balance history! I'm currently in a similar situation where I can't access all my old statements online. Did you have to provide any specific documentation to Caixa to prove your identity when requesting the balance information? Also, how long did it take them to respond? I'm getting close to the FBAR deadline and starting to panic a bit about having incomplete records. The point about 13th salary deposits is brilliant - I completely forgot that these would affect the maximum balance calculation. My employer always paid the 13th salary in December, so that's probably when my FGTS balance was at its highest for the year.
@884906e3dc74 Great point about the 13th salary deposits! I'm in a similar boat with my FGTS reporting and hadn't considered how those December payments would spike the balance. For anyone else dealing with missing FGTS records, I found that if you still have your CTPS (work card) or any final settlement documents from your Brazilian employer, these often show your total FGTS contributions which can help you estimate balances. Also, the FGTS deposit rate is standardized at 8% of gross salary, so if you have your payslips you can calculate approximate monthly deposits. One thing I'm still unclear on - if my FGTS was with multiple employers during the year (I switched jobs in Brazil), do I need to report each FGTS account separately or can I combine them since they're all managed by Caixa? The account numbers were different but it's technically the same fund system.
Just wanted to add some clarity on a few technical points that might help others in similar situations with FGTS reporting: Regarding multiple FGTS accounts from different employers - you should report each account separately on your FBAR since they have different account numbers, even though they're all managed by Caixa. Each employment contract creates a distinct FGTS account linked to your PIS/PASEP number but with unique identifiers. For those struggling to get complete balance histories, there's actually a useful workaround: if you have your "Extrato do FGTS" (FGTS statement) from when you left Brazil, it typically shows not just the final balance but also the monthly deposit history for the past 12-24 months. This can help you reconstruct the peak balance periods. Also worth noting - if you had any FGTS withdrawals during the year for permitted reasons (like home purchase or serious illness), make sure to account for these when determining your maximum balance. The highest balance might have occurred before any withdrawal, not necessarily at year-end. One last tip: if you're using estimated amounts due to incomplete records, the IRS generally accepts reasonable estimates as long as you can document your methodology. Just keep detailed notes on how you calculated everything in case of future questions.
This is incredibly thorough information, thank you @2d3087dd5b7a! The point about reporting each FGTS account separately even when they're all with Caixa is really important - I would have definitely combined them incorrectly. One question about the methodology documentation you mentioned - when you say "keep detailed notes," are you referring to just personal records, or is there a specific format the IRS expects if they ever audit your FGTS reporting? I'm using estimates for a few months where I can't get exact statements, and I want to make sure I'm documenting everything properly. Also, for anyone else dealing with this, I found that if you still have access to your Brazilian bank's mobile app, sometimes the FGTS balance is displayed there even if you can't access full statements. It might at least give you a recent reference point to work backwards from using the 8% salary contribution rate.
Does anyone know if taking classes online during covid from my home country affects my exempt period? I was physically outside the US for about 18 months during 2020-2021 even though I maintained my F1 status by taking online classes. Do those periods still count toward my 5 exempt years?
This is a great question. The exempt period for F1 students is based on your immigration status, not your physical presence. So yes, those 18 months when you were outside the US but maintaining F1 status through online classes still count toward your 5-year exempt period. However, when calculating the substantial presence test after your exempt period ends, only days you were physically present in the US count. So those 18 months wouldn't count toward the substantial presence test day count, even though they count toward using up your exempt period.
This is such a common source of confusion for F1 students! I went through the exact same situation a few years ago. Here's what I learned that might help: Since you've been here for 6 years on F1 status (starting 2019), you're definitely past the 5-year exempt period. This means for 2024 and going forward, all your days of physical presence in the US count toward the substantial presence test. One thing to keep in mind - even though you're now counting days normally, make sure you're calculating the substantial presence test correctly. It's not just adding up all your days - it's: (all days in current year) + (1/3 of days in prior year) + (1/6 of days in year before that) = must be 183 or more. Also, since this sounds like it might be your first year transitioning from exempt to non-exempt status, you'll likely need to file as a "dual-status alien" - meaning nonresident for part of the year and resident for part of the year. This requires some special forms and calculations. Don't stress too much about "getting in trouble" - the IRS understands these situations are complex for international students. The key is filing correctly based on your actual status, and if you're unsure, it's always worth consulting with a tax professional who specializes in international student taxes or getting clarification directly from the IRS.
This is really helpful, especially the clarification about dual-status filing! I hadn't thought about that part. Quick question though - when you mention consulting with a tax professional who specializes in international student taxes, do you have any recommendations for finding someone like that? I've contacted a few regular CPAs but they seem unfamiliar with F1 visa tax rules and the substantial presence test exemptions. It's been frustrating trying to find someone who actually understands these specific rules rather than just general tax preparation.
My CPA explained that the "reporting gap" is actually by design in our tax system. Congress has repeatedly cut IRS enforcement funding over decades, especially for high-income taxpayers. It's not an accident. Here's the wildest part: the Congressional Budget Office estimates that every additional $1 spent on IRS enforcement yields $5-$9 in recovered revenue. What other government program has that kind of ROI? Yet we keep cutting their budget.
Those ROI numbers seem inflated. If that were true, wouldn't the government be pouring money into the IRS to fix the deficit? There must be more to the story.
The ROI numbers are actually well-documented by the Treasury Inspector General and academic studies. The reason Congress doesn't just throw money at the IRS is political - nobody wants to be the politician who voted to "unleash the tax collectors" on constituents, even if it would reduce the deficit. There's also lobbying pressure from wealthy individuals and corporations who benefit from underenforcement. The recent IRS funding increases in the Inflation Calls Reduction Act faced massive political opposition despite the clear financial benefits to taxpayers who play by the rules.
This is a really eye-opening discussion. As someone who's always filed straightforward W-2 returns, I had no idea the compliance gap was so massive - $600 billion is staggering! What strikes me most is how this creates an unfair system where honest wage earners essentially subsidize those who can afford to game the system. My taxes are automatically withheld and reported, so I have zero wiggle room, while business owners with good accountants can apparently play audit roulette. The political angle mentioned about IRS funding is particularly frustrating. It seems like we're essentially choosing to let tax cheats off the hook because nobody wants to be seen as "pro-IRS." Meanwhile, those of us following the rules end up paying higher rates to make up for the lost revenue. Has anyone here actually been through an IRS audit? I'm curious what that process looks like in practice, especially for someone who's been legitimately following all the rules.
Sophia Long
As a newcomer to this community, I have to say this thread has been a lifesaver! I'm currently dealing with the exact same issue Grace described, but with a different payment processor that's been giving me nothing but error messages for the past week. Reading through all these detailed experiences and solutions has been incredibly valuable. What really stands out is how many people initially questioned some of the suggested services but then came back with genuine success stories after actually trying them. That kind of honest follow-up really helps build trust in the community's advice. The consensus seems crystal clear: stop wasting time with broken processors and switch to IRS Direct Pay immediately. I was hesitant at first because I'd never used it before, but after reading everyone's experiences, I just submitted my quarterly payment through Direct Pay and got instant confirmation. The relief is incredible! Grace, I really hope you've switched over by now - every day you wait is just adding to the stress. Your payusatax documentation will be valuable if you need penalty abatement later, but getting that payment through should be the absolute priority. Thanks to everyone who shared their stories and solutions. This community's collective wisdom just saved me from what could have been a very expensive mistake. For other newcomers facing similar processor issues: trust the advice here, document everything, and make the switch to Direct Pay today!
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Ellie Lopez
β’Welcome to the community, Sophia! As another newcomer who just went through this exact same panic, I can totally relate to that relief you felt getting the Direct Pay confirmation. I was also hesitant to try a government website I'd never used before, but honestly it was so much simpler than I expected. What really helped me was seeing how Grace's original post created this incredible resource thread where people shared real experiences with actual outcomes. The fact that multiple community members came back to update their skeptical comments after trying the suggested solutions really speaks to the authenticity of the advice here. I'm curious - did you end up keeping documentation from your failed processor attempts? After reading through Nathaniel's experience with Form 843, I made sure to screenshot all my error messages just in case I need them later for penalty abatement, even though my Direct Pay went through fine. It's amazing how this community turns what feels like an isolated crisis into a shared problem with proven solutions. Grace, if you're still following this thread, you've inadvertently helped so many people beyond just your own situation! Hope everyone gets their payments sorted out smoothly.
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Amara Nnamani
As a newcomer to this community, I just want to echo what everyone else has been saying - this thread has been an absolute godsend! I stumbled across it while frantically searching for solutions to my own payment processor nightmare (different company than payusatax, but same horrifying symptoms). What really struck me was how Grace's initial panic post has evolved into this comprehensive guide for handling processor failures. The pattern is so clear: document everything, stop wasting time with broken systems, switch to IRS Direct Pay immediately, and know that penalty abatement is possible with proper documentation. I was initially skeptical of some of the third-party services mentioned here, but seeing multiple community members come back with genuine success stories after trying them really builds confidence. That kind of honest follow-up is what makes this community so valuable - people aren't just throwing out random suggestions, they're sharing tested solutions. Grace, if you haven't already made the switch to Direct Pay, please do it today! Your documentation from the payusatax failures will be great evidence if needed later, but getting that payment through should be the immediate priority. For any other newcomers dealing with similar processor issues: trust this community's collective wisdom, document everything, and don't let a failing third-party processor ruin your day. The IRS has reliable alternatives that actually work!
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Emma Johnson
β’Welcome to the community, Amara! As yet another newcomer who just discovered this incredible thread, I can't agree more about how valuable this has become. I was literally having a mini panic attack about my own processor issues when I found Grace's post, and now I feel like I have a complete roadmap for handling this situation. What's really impressive is how this community has turned what started as one person's crisis into a comprehensive resource that's helping so many people. The consistent message across all these experiences is reassuring: processor failures happen, but there are reliable solutions and the IRS is reasonable about penalty abatement when you can document good faith efforts. I just finished submitting my payment through Direct Pay after reading through everyone's experiences here - the whole process took maybe 8 minutes and I got immediate confirmation. The contrast between that smooth experience and the days I wasted fighting with my failing processor is pretty stark! Grace, I really hope you've gotten your payment sorted by now. Your post has inadvertently created this amazing resource that's helping newcomers like us navigate these stressful situations with confidence. Thanks for sharing your experience, and thanks to everyone else who contributed their stories and solutions!
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