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Nina Chan

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I went through something very similar when I switched jobs mid-year and my new employer somehow set up my withholding incorrectly. The good news is that with 2 kids under 10, you have some solid tax credits working in your favor. The Child Tax Credit alone could give you up to $4,000 ($2,000 per child), and depending on your income level, a significant portion of that can be refundable even if you paid zero in withholding. The Earned Income Tax Credit could also apply if your income falls within certain ranges - with 2 qualifying children, this can be worth thousands more. Your health issues might also qualify you to file as Head of Household, which has better tax brackets and a higher standard deduction. I'd definitely recommend running your numbers through some tax software to get a realistic picture, but don't panic - families with dependents often come out better than they expect, even with withholding issues.

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NightOwl42

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This is really reassuring to hear from someone who's been through it! I'm definitely going to look into the Head of Household filing status - I hadn't even considered that might apply to my situation. The potential refund amounts you mentioned sound way better than I was expecting. Do you remember roughly what income range qualifies for the full Earned Income Tax Credit with 2 kids? I want to get a better sense of where I might fall.

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The EITC income limits for 2023 (filing in 2024) with 2 qualifying children are pretty generous - you can earn up to about $50,594 if filing single or $56,844 if married filing jointly and still get some credit. The maximum EITC with 2 kids is $6,164, which phases out as your income increases. Combined with the Child Tax Credit, you could potentially see a substantial refund even with zero withholding. Just make sure your kids meet the qualifying child requirements (age, relationship, residency tests) and that they have valid Social Security Numbers. Also, definitely fix your W-4 going forward to avoid potential underpayment penalties next year. Your situation with health issues and being the primary caregiver for 2 young kids sounds like it would qualify you for Head of Household status, which would give you even better tax treatment.

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This is exactly the kind of detailed breakdown I was hoping to find! The EITC income limits you mentioned are really helpful - it sounds like there's a decent chance I could qualify for at least some of that credit based on my current income situation. I'm definitely going to look into the Head of Household status too since I am the primary caregiver. One quick question - when you mention "underpayment penalties," is that something that would apply to this tax year since I've already had no withholding for most of it, or is it more about making sure I fix things going forward? I'm trying to figure out if I should be worried about penalties on top of whatever I might owe.

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Javier Cruz

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So sick of our tax system. In many civilized countries, the government just sends you a pre-filled form with all your info already on it, and you just approve it. But here we have to stress about every little thing and wonder if we'll get flagged for audit. 😤

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Emma Wilson

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Preach!! The system is deliberately complicated so tax prep companies can make billions. It's all a scam.

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Malik Thomas

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Not to mention if you try to call for help, you can't get through! I tried calling for THREE DAYS and never got a human. Had to use claimyr.com to finally talk to someone. Ridiculous that we have to pay extra just to access our own tax agency.

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Chloe Green

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Congrats on your little one! You're right to think ahead about this. The IRS doesn't require you to submit documentation upfront when claiming a dependent, but they do cross-check the information you provide (name, SSN, DOB) with Social Security Administration records. Keep these documents organized and easily accessible in case you ever need them: - Birth certificate - Hospital discharge records - Any medical records showing you as the parent - Records showing the child lived with you (like pediatrician visits to your address) The key things that could trigger a review are: incorrect SSN, someone else also claiming the same child, or if it's flagged for a random verification check. Since this is your first time claiming her and she's only 10 months old, just make sure all the basic info matches exactly what's on her Social Security card. Most people never get asked for verification, but if you do, having everything ready will make the process much smoother. Good luck!

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Jenna Sloan

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I'm going through the same struggle with understanding my self-employment taxes! Reading through all these explanations has been incredibly helpful - I had no idea about the flow from Schedule C to Schedule SE to Form 1040. One thing that's been confusing me is the timing of everything. If I'm making quarterly estimated payments based on last year's tax liability, but my income is significantly higher this year, how do I avoid getting hit with a big tax bill at the end of the year? Also, for those who mentioned the QBI deduction - is this something that gets calculated automatically by tax software, or do you have to specifically claim it? I've been doing my own taxes with TurboTax but I'm not sure if I've been missing out on this deduction. The idea of actually understanding my tax forms instead of just blindly trusting my software sounds really appealing. I feel like I've been flying blind for too long!

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PixelWarrior

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Great questions! For the timing issue with higher income, you can actually adjust your quarterly payments mid-year. The safe harbor rule protects you from penalties if you pay 100% of last year's liability (or 110% if high income), but if you know you'll owe more, it's smart to increase your payments to avoid a big bill in April. I calculate my estimated payments by taking my projected annual profit, multiplying by about 30% (covers both SE tax and income tax for most brackets), then dividing by 4. If my income jumps significantly in Q2 or Q3, I'll bump up my remaining payments. For the QBI deduction - TurboTax should calculate it automatically if you're eligible! It shows up on Form 8995 (or 8995-A for higher incomes) and flows to your 1040. Most self-employed folks qualify for the full 20% deduction unless you're in certain service businesses or have really high income. Check your prior returns - if you had self-employment income, you probably got this deduction without even realizing it. The key is understanding that your tax software is doing all these calculations behind the scenes, but knowing the flow helps you spot potential issues or missed deductions!

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This thread has been so helpful! I'm also self-employed and have been struggling with the same issues. Reading through everyone's explanations, I finally understand the flow: Schedule C (business profit) → Schedule SE (self-employment tax calculation) → Schedule 2 → Form 1040 Line 24 (total tax owed). I think the key insight for me was realizing that when people say they "owed zero taxes" it doesn't necessarily mean they had no tax liability - it often means their estimated payments, deductions, and credits covered their total tax bill. For anyone still confused like I was, here's my simplified takeaway: - Schedule C shows your business profit/loss after expenses - Schedule SE calculates your 15.3% self-employment tax on that profit - Form 1040 combines everything to show your total tax liability - Line 24 = what you owe total, Line 33 = what you already paid, Line 37 = final amount owed or refunded The QBI deduction mentioned earlier can be huge too - up to 20% off your business income for most self-employed folks. Definitely worth double-checking that you're getting this on your returns! Thanks to everyone who shared their knowledge here. This community is amazing for helping each other navigate these confusing tax situations.

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This is such a helpful breakdown! I'm new to being self-employed (just started freelancing this year) and I've been dreading tax season because everything seemed so complicated. Your simplified flow chart makes it much clearer - I had no idea there were so many different forms involved but now I can see how they connect. One question for the group - when you say "estimated payments," are these something you have to set up manually with the IRS, or does your tax software handle that? I've been setting aside about 25% of my income but I haven't actually been making quarterly payments yet. Should I start doing that now even though it's my first year? Also really glad to learn about the QBI deduction - 20% sounds significant! I'll definitely make sure to look for that when I file.

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Demi Hall

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I think everyone's missing something important here - the interest on shareholder loans can actually be beneficial in the right situation. If your business is profitable and you're in a high personal tax bracket, having the business pay you interest (which is deductible for the business) can be an effective way to extract money from the company without triggering employment taxes. The business gets a deduction for the interest payments, reducing its taxable income. You'll pay ordinary income tax on the interest received, but no self-employment or payroll taxes. Just make sure the interest rate is reasonable (at least the AFR) and that everything is documented properly.

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But wouldn't you end up paying higher personal tax rates on the interest income compared to qualified dividend rates if you went the equity route instead?

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CyberSiren

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Great question about the tax implications! You're right that this decision can have significant long-term consequences. One additional consideration I haven't seen mentioned is the timing flexibility. With shareholder loans, you have much more control over when you take the money back out. You can repay yourself when it's most tax-advantageous - perhaps in a year when your personal income is lower or when the business has better cash flow. With equity contributions, you're essentially locked into taking distributions when the company declares them (if it's profitable enough to do so), or you'd need to find a buyer for your shares to get your money back. Also, if your business ever faces financial difficulties, shareholder loans typically have priority over equity in terms of repayment. So from a risk perspective, the loan structure offers some protection. That said, make sure you're not creating a situation where the loan balance becomes so large that it affects your ability to take advantage of other tax benefits. For S-Corps especially, your stock basis and debt basis calculations can get complex when you have large outstanding shareholder loans. I'd recommend running the numbers both ways with your tax professional to see which approach minimizes your overall tax burden based on your specific situation and timeline for getting the money back.

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Debra Bai

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This is really helpful context about timing flexibility! I'm new to this whole shareholder loan vs equity decision and hadn't considered the repayment timing aspect. One question though - you mentioned that shareholder loans have priority over equity in financial difficulties. Does this mean if the business goes under, I'd be more likely to get my money back as a creditor rather than as an equity holder? That seems like a pretty significant advantage for the loan approach, especially for smaller businesses that might face cash flow issues.

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Sofia Perez

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Can I ask what state you're in? Different states have additional child tax credits on top of the federal ones. For example, here in NY we have an Empire State Child Credit that's worth up to 33% of the federal credit for kids over 4. Doesn't help with infants but something to keep in mind for future years.

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Not OP but I'm in Massachusetts and we have a dependent care deduction at the state level too. You can deduct up to $4,800 for one kid or $9,600 for two or more kids. This is separate from the federal benefits and FSA contributions.

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Just wanted to add another perspective on timing - if you're planning to have more kids in the next few years, keep in mind that the Child Tax Credit applies per child, so it scales up nicely. But the Dependent Care FSA stays capped at $5,000 total regardless of how many kids you have. Also, don't forget about the Child and Dependent Care Credit (Form 2441) that someone mentioned earlier - this is actually different from the Child Tax Credit and can be claimed on top of your FSA contributions, though you can't double-dip on the same expenses. At your income level, this credit phases out pretty quickly, but it's worth having your tax preparer calculate it just in case. One more tip: if either of you has a flexible work schedule, consider timing your FSA contributions to align with when you'll actually need the childcare. Some people front-load their contributions early in the year when daycare costs are highest, then adjust later in the year if needed during open enrollment.

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Honorah King

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This is really helpful info about scaling with multiple kids! Quick question - you mentioned the Child and Dependent Care Credit on Form 2441. How does that interact with the FSA contributions? I'm trying to understand if using the full $5k FSA would make us ineligible for that credit, or if we can still claim it on expenses beyond what we put through the FSA? Also, the timing tip is smart. Since our little one won't start daycare until February, should we consider spreading our FSA contributions throughout the year rather than front-loading them? I want to make sure we don't accidentally over-contribute and lose money to the "use it or lose it" rule.

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