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Omar Farouk

Can I deduct losses when closing my Roth IRA accounts?

I just read something that's confusing me. It says "The Internal Revenue Service does not permit you to deduct losses from your Roth IRA on a year-to-year basis, so the only way to deduct your losses is to close your Roth IRA accounts." I always thought you couldn't deduct Roth IRA losses at all, but this makes it sound like you can if you close everything? How does this work exactly? My Roth IRA situation is kind of complicated. Started with an account at E*Trade (which got bought by Robinhood), then Robinhood was acquired by Vanguard. I don't have good records of my original contributions when I had the accounts with E*Trade and Robinhood. I've also got Roth accounts with SoFi and Betterment now. So what exactly does it mean when they say you can deduct losses by closing accounts? Does that mean closing ALL my Roth accounts everywhere? And how do I figure out what my actual losses are if I don't have all my contribution records?

You're right to be confused because this is a commonly misunderstood area of tax law. To deduct losses in a Roth IRA, you would need to close ALL of your Roth IRA accounts and withdraw all funds. The key point is that your total distributions must be less than your total basis (the amount you contributed) across all Roth IRAs. For example, if you've contributed $25,000 across all your Roth IRAs over the years, but when you close all accounts and withdraw everything, you only get $20,000 back, you would have a $5,000 loss that could potentially be deductible. The challenge is documentation. You'll need to prove your basis (total contributions) to claim the loss. Without records from your old E*Trade/Robinhood accounts, this could be difficult. Try contacting Vanguard to see if they have the historical contribution records that transferred over.

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So if I have Roth IRAs at different institutions, I'd need to close ALL of them to claim a loss? What if one is doing well and the other is down? Seems like a bad deal since you'd be losing the tax-advantaged account forever just to claim a deduction.

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Yes, you would need to close all Roth IRAs to claim the loss. The IRS looks at your entire Roth IRA basis across all institutions, not individual accounts. It's not account-by-account but rather the total of all your Roth IRAs. You're absolutely right that this is rarely beneficial. Closing all accounts means giving up the tax-free growth potential of your Roth IRA forever (though you could open new ones for future contributions). This is why deducting Roth IRA losses is uncommon and typically only makes sense in specific situations with significant losses.

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How exactly does it work with all the documents? My statements are a total mess and spread across like 4 different brokerages from the past 10 years. Can it actually track everything without me having to manually enter all the data?

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Sounds interesting but I'm skeptical. How does it handle the situation where some of your Roth accounts are up and some are down? Does it just tell you not to bother with deducting losses?

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet - even if you do close all your Roth IRAs and have a legitimate loss, the deduction is considered a miscellaneous itemized deduction subject to the 2% of AGI floor. Since the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act suspended these deductions from 2018 through 2025, you currently CANNOT deduct Roth IRA losses at all! This is scheduled to change in 2026 when these deductions are supposed to come back, but for now, it's a moot point anyway.

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Are you 100% sure about that? I thought some miscellaneous deductions were still allowed? The IRS publication isn't super clear about this specific scenario.

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Yes, I'm certain. The TCJA suspended ALL miscellaneous itemized deductions subject to the 2% floor for tax years 2018-2025. There are some miscellaneous deductions that aren't subject to that 2% floor that remain deductible (like gambling losses up to the amount of gambling winnings), but Roth IRA losses specifically fall into the suspended category. IRS Publication 529 covers this, though you're right that it's not the clearest. The key is that investment expenses (which is how Roth IRA losses are categorized) are specifically listed as suspended deductions during this period.

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I'm confused about something nobody's addressed yet. If I close my Roth IRA accounts and have a loss, how exactly do I claim it on my tax return? Which forms do I need to fill out? And will tax software like TurboTax handle this correctly?

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As others have mentioned, you currently can't claim this deduction through 2025 due to the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. But when it becomes available again in 2026, you would report it on Schedule A as a miscellaneous itemized deduction subject to the 2% AGI floor. You'd also need to fill out Form 8606 to establish your basis in the Roth IRA. Most tax software should walk you through this, but it's a relatively uncommon scenario so you might need to manually enter some information. The software should then calculate whether your total miscellaneous deductions exceed 2% of your AGI.

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This is a really complex situation that highlights why most tax professionals recommend against closing Roth IRAs just to claim losses. The key points everyone's covered are spot-on: 1. You'd need to close ALL Roth accounts across all institutions 2. The deduction is currently suspended through 2025 anyway 3. Even when available, it's subject to the 2% AGI floor limitation For your specific situation with the E*Trade → Robinhood → Vanguard transfers, I'd strongly recommend contacting Vanguard first to see what historical records they have. Many times when accounts are transferred, the contribution basis information travels with them. Also consider that even if you had a deductible loss, you'd be permanently giving up valuable Roth IRA contribution space. Once you close the accounts, you can't "reopen" them - you'd have to start fresh with new annual contribution limits. Given the current tax law suspension and the complexity of your multi-institution setup, you're probably better off keeping the accounts open and focusing on rebalancing or adjusting your investment strategy within the existing accounts.

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This is exactly the kind of comprehensive advice I was hoping to find! The point about permanently losing Roth IRA contribution space is huge - I hadn't really thought about that aspect. Even if the deduction becomes available again in 2026, giving up decades of potential tax-free growth for what would likely be a small deduction doesn't make financial sense. I'm going to contact Vanguard tomorrow to see what records they have from the transfers. Hopefully they can piece together my contribution history from the E*Trade days. Thanks for laying out all the key considerations so clearly - this really helps me understand why this strategy is rarely beneficial.

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Just wanted to add one more important consideration that might help with your decision-making process. Even if you could track down all your contribution records and calculate an exact loss, remember that Roth IRAs are designed for long-term retirement savings - typically 20-40+ years of potential growth. The tax-free compounding over decades is incredibly valuable. For example, if you have $15,000 currently in your Roth accounts that grows at an average 7% annually, that becomes about $225,000 in 40 years - all tax-free. Compare that to whatever deduction you might get (when it becomes available again in 2026) which would likely save you maybe a few hundred to a couple thousand dollars in taxes. The math almost never works out in favor of closing the accounts unless you have truly massive losses AND you're in a very high tax bracket. Most financial advisors would tell you to ride out the temporary losses and focus on your long-term retirement strategy instead. If you're concerned about your current investment performance, consider rebalancing within your existing Roth accounts or adjusting your asset allocation rather than closing everything.

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This is such a great point about the long-term compounding effect! As someone new to understanding Roth IRAs, I really appreciate how you've broken down the math. The example of $15,000 becoming $225,000 over 40 years tax-free really puts things in perspective. I'm in a similar boat as the original poster - have accounts scattered across different brokerages and was wondering if I should consider closing them due to some current losses. But your explanation makes it clear that I'd be giving up potentially hundreds of thousands in future tax-free growth just to maybe get a small deduction years from now. The rebalancing suggestion is really helpful too. Instead of closing accounts, it sounds like the smarter move is to look at my asset allocation within the existing Roth accounts and make adjustments there. Thanks for sharing this long-term perspective - it's exactly what I needed to hear as someone still learning about retirement planning!

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This whole thread has been incredibly educational! As someone who's been contributing to a Roth IRA for about 5 years but never really understood the loss deduction rules, I had no idea it was this complicated. The key takeaway for me is that between the current suspension of miscellaneous itemized deductions through 2025, the requirement to close ALL Roth accounts, and the lost opportunity for decades of tax-free growth, claiming Roth IRA losses is almost never worth it for regular investors like us. I'm curious though - are there any specific scenarios where this might actually make sense? Like if someone had contributed $50,000+ over many years and their accounts were now worth only $10,000 due to really bad investment choices? Even then, giving up that Roth space forever seems like it would hurt more in the long run. Also, for anyone dealing with scattered records across multiple brokerages like the OP, it sounds like the first step should always be contacting your current providers to see what historical data they have before even considering any drastic moves.

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You've really captured the essence of this complex topic! Even in extreme scenarios like your $50,000 to $10,000 example, the math usually doesn't work out in favor of closing accounts. Here's why: that $40,000 loss might save you maybe $8,000-12,000 in taxes (assuming a high tax bracket and when deductions become available again), but you'd be giving up decades of potential recovery and growth on that remaining $10,000. The scenarios where it might make sense are incredibly rare - think someone very close to retirement with massive documented losses who needs the immediate tax relief and won't benefit much from long-term growth. But even then, most tax professionals would explore other options first. Your point about contacting current providers is spot-on. Many people don't realize that when accounts transfer between brokerages (like the OP's E*Trade → Robinhood → Vanguard situation), the receiving institution often maintains detailed contribution histories. Sometimes what seems like "lost" records are actually just a phone call away. The bottom line is that Roth IRAs are retirement vehicles, not short-term tax strategies, and they should be evaluated with that 20-30+ year timeline in mind!

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