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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm dealing with a similar NOL situation but have an additional complication - I have some partnership K-1 losses from a small investment I made in a friend's restaurant. How do partnership losses factor into the business vs nonbusiness classification for NOL purposes? I'm assuming since I'm not actively involved in running the restaurant (I'm just a passive investor), these would be nonbusiness losses? But the K-1 shows them as ordinary business losses, not capital losses, so I'm not sure which line of the NOL worksheet they belong on. Also, are there any special rules about passive activity loss limitations that affect how these show up in the NOL calculation? I remember reading something about passive losses being treated differently but can't find clear guidance on how that impacts the NOL worksheet specifically.
Great question about partnership losses! Since you're a passive investor in the restaurant, your K-1 losses would generally be considered nonbusiness for NOL purposes, even though they show up as ordinary business losses on the K-1. The key factor is your level of participation, not the nature of the underlying business activity. However, there's an important caveat: passive activity loss rules can limit how much of those losses you can actually use. If you don't have passive income to offset them, those losses might be suspended and not available for your current year NOL calculation. Only the passive losses that aren't suspended by the passive activity rules would go on your NOL worksheet. You'll want to complete Form 8582 (Passive Activity Loss Limitations) first to determine how much of your K-1 losses are actually allowable in the current year before including them in your NOL calculation. The suspended losses carry forward but don't help with this year's NOL.
I've been through this exact same confusion with NOL calculations! Here's what I learned after making mistakes on my first attempt: For your situation, the $4,700 stock losses would definitely go on Line 2 (Nonbusiness) since personal investing isn't your trade or business. Your craft business loss of $8,200 is mostly going to be ordinary business deductions (materials, shipping, etc.) that are already factored into your business net loss - these aren't capital losses unless you actually sold business equipment at a loss. One thing that tripped me up initially: depreciation on your craft business equipment isn't a capital loss - it's a regular business expense. You only have a capital loss when you actually dispose of the asset. The key distinction is: nonbusiness = personal investments and activities; business = your trade or business activities. Since your craft business is a legitimate business activity (even if it lost money), those losses help your NOL calculation as ordinary business losses, not as Line 2 or Line 3 items. Double-check that you're not double-counting anything - your business loss should already include all your legitimate business expenses. The NOL worksheet is more about adjusting for specific limitations than recategorizing what you already calculated.
This is such a helpful breakdown! I'm new to dealing with NOL calculations and was getting overwhelmed by all the different categories. Your point about depreciation being a regular business expense rather than a capital loss really clarifies things for me. I have a similar situation with a small online business that didn't do well this year. Can you clarify - when you say the business loss "should already include all your legitimate business expenses," does that mean I shouldn't be listing individual expenses anywhere else on the NOL worksheet? I want to make sure I'm not missing out on deductions but also don't want to accidentally double-count anything. Also, for someone just starting to understand this - is there a simple way to double-check that I've categorized everything correctly before filing?
If you're stressed about your property taxes, check with your county about installment plans. Most places let you pay quarterly or monthly instead of one big bill. Also look into contesting your assessment if you think your home is overvalued.
This! I contested my assessment last year and got it reduced by 15%. The county had my lot size wrong and claimed I had a finished basement when I don't. Totally worth the effort.
Property tax is the oldest form of taxation in America dating back to colonial times. It's actually more equitable than most people think because it's a wealth tax rather than an income tax. Someone sitting on a million-dollar paid-off home should contribute more to local services than someone in a smaller home, even if their current incomes are similar. The problem is that it doesn't account for cash flow. Someone might be house-rich but cash-poor (like many elderly). That's why most states have programs for seniors, disabled folks, and those with lower incomes. The system isn't perfect, but there's logic behind it.
That's all fine in theory but it falls apart when housing values skyrocket but incomes don't. My parents bought their house for $85k in 1992. Now it's valued at $625k for tax purposes, but their retirement income hasn't increased 7x! They're being taxed out of the home they've lived in for 30 years. How is that fair?
If you're interested in ETFs, look into tax-managed index funds or ETFs specifically designed for tax efficiency. Vanguard's VIG (dividend appreciation) might be worth checking out - it focuses on companies that grow their dividends rather than just high current yield, which can be more tax-efficient. VWELX (Wellington) is another one that tries to balance income with tax efficiency.
Given your high tax bracket ($275K income), I'd strongly recommend prioritizing tax-efficient growth over income-producing assets in taxable accounts. Here's what's worked for me in a similar situation: 1. **Broad market index ETFs with low dividend yields** - Something like VTI or ITOT focuses on total return rather than dividends, letting you control when you realize gains through strategic selling. 2. **Tax-loss harvesting** - This becomes incredibly valuable at your income level. You can harvest up to $3K in losses annually against ordinary income, plus carry forward any excess. 3. **Asset location strategy** - Keep your bond/REIT investments in tax-advantaged accounts (401k/IRA) and growth investments in taxable accounts. This maximizes the tax benefits of each account type. 4. **Consider Roth conversions** - If you have traditional IRA funds, strategic Roth conversions during lower income years could make sense long-term. For that $180K, I'd personally move most of it into a broad market ETF with minimal distributions (like VTI with ~1.3% dividend yield vs your savings account generating taxable interest). The qualified dividends will be taxed at capital gains rates (likely 15% for you) rather than your marginal rate of 32-35%. Don't completely avoid income - just be strategic about the type and timing.
Does anyone use separate credit cards for business vs personal expenses? I'm struggling to keep everything organized and wondering if that would help.
ABSOLUTELY get a separate card just for business! It made my life 1000x easier. I just export the year-end summary directly to my tax software. Also helps if you ever get audited - clean separation between business and personal expenses.
Honestly, you're asking all the right questions! I went through the exact same panic when I started freelancing two years ago. Here's what I wish someone had told me from day one: First, yes you absolutely need to make quarterly payments with that income level. The IRS expects you to pay as you go, not wait until April. Missing them isn't the end of the world, but the penalties add up. For the percentage to set aside, I'd actually recommend starting at 30-35% until you get a feel for your actual tax situation. Better to over-save and get a refund than scramble to find money you don't have. I learned this lesson the expensive way my first year. Home internet is definitely deductible based on business use percentage. Same with your phone, utilities for your home office space, even part of your rent/mortgage if you have a dedicated workspace. The biggest game-changer for me was getting everything automated. Separate business checking account, business credit card, and I literally transfer 30% of every payment the day it hits my account. No thinking, no "I'll do it later" - just automatic. Also, keep ALL your receipts and document everything. Even small stuff like coffee during client meetings or parking when visiting clients. It adds up fast over a year. One last tip - consider finding a good CPA who works with freelancers. Mine costs about $800/year but saves me way more than that in deductions I wouldn't have known about.
Rajan Walker
The real problem in America isn't just the filing process - it's that we have an intentionally complex tax code full of loopholes and special deductions. I read somewhere that Americans spend over 6 billion hours and $200 billion annually just to comply with tax filing requirements. That's insane!
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Nadia Zaldivar
ā¢The complexity also disproportionately hurts lower income people. Wealthy folks can hire accountants to find every loophole, while someone working two jobs doesn't have time to research tax strategies or money for professional help. They end up missing deductions they're entitled to.
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Dallas Villalobos
This is such an eye-opening comparison! I'm a US expat living in Germany now, and I've experienced something similar. The German tax system isn't quite as streamlined as Sweden's, but it's still worlds apart from the American nightmare. What really strikes me about your post is how the Swedish approach reflects a fundamentally different relationship between citizens and government. In the US, there's this adversarial mindset where the IRS is seen as trying to "catch" you doing something wrong. But when the government pre-fills your forms and makes the process simple, it feels more like they're actually trying to help you comply rather than trip you up. I think the lobbying point made earlier is crucial - there's a whole industry in America that profits from tax complexity. Until we address that fundamental conflict of interest, we'll probably continue to have unnecessarily complicated filing processes. It's frustrating because the technology to simplify this absolutely exists, as Sweden and other countries have proven.
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