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I had the same issue with MI last month! Turned out my return was still in "processing" status even though it had been weeks. The state website doesn't update until it's fully processed, unlike the federal system. You might want to try calling their automated line at 517-636-4486 - sometimes it gives you more info than the website does. Hang in there, it's frustrating but normal this year!
Michigan resident here who went through this exact same thing last year! The "no match found" error is super common when their system is backlogged. I ended up waiting about 5-6 weeks before my return showed up in their lookup tool. One thing that helped me was keeping a screenshot of my submission confirmation from when I e-filed - that way you have proof you submitted it on time. Also, if you're really worried, you can request a payment trace after 6 weeks if your refund still hasn't shown up. Don't stress too much, MI is just notoriously slow compared to federal!
This is super helpful! I'm in the same boat and was starting to panic that something went wrong with my filing. Good to know that 5-6 weeks is normal for MI - I'm only at 3 weeks so I guess I need to be more patient. Definitely going to save that screenshot tip for next year. Thanks for the reassurance that this is just how MI works!
You're absolutely right to be thinking about the installment method for your S Corp stock sale - it can be a great tax planning strategy. Since your S Corporation is privately held and not traded on any established market, you should indeed be eligible to use the installment method under Section 453. One thing I'd recommend is getting a professional valuation of your business before structuring the sale, especially since you mentioned the buyer is interested in eventually taking over completely. This will help establish a defensible sales price and ensure you're maximizing the benefit of spreading the gain over multiple years. Also, make sure your installment agreement includes appropriate interest provisions - the IRS requires imputed interest on deferred payments, so you'll want to use at least the applicable federal rate to avoid any complications. Since this is a significant transaction representing 30% of your business, I'd strongly suggest consulting with a tax professional who has experience with installment sales of closely-held business interests. They can help you navigate any potential complications and ensure all the documentation is properly structured.
Great point about the professional valuation! I'm new to this whole process and hadn't thought about that aspect. When you mention "appropriate interest provisions" - is there a specific rate we need to use, or does it vary based on the payment terms? Also, do you know if there are any special considerations if the buyer wants to structure it as an earn-out based on future business performance rather than fixed payments?
For the interest rate, you'll need to use at least the Applicable Federal Rate (AFR) that's published monthly by the IRS. The specific rate depends on the term of your installment payments - short-term (3 years or less), mid-term (over 3 but not over 9 years), or long-term (over 9 years). You can find the current rates on the IRS website under Section 1274. Regarding earn-outs based on future performance - that gets much more complicated for installment sale treatment. The IRS generally requires that you be able to determine the total selling price, even if some payments are contingent. With performance-based earn-outs, you might not qualify for installment treatment on the contingent portion since the total consideration can't be determined at the time of sale. However, you might be able to structure it as a fixed minimum payment (eligible for installment treatment) plus separate contingent payments that would be taxed when received. This is definitely an area where you'll want expert guidance since the tax implications can vary significantly based on how the agreement is structured.
Val, you're correct that private S Corporation stock should qualify for installment sale treatment since it's not traded on an established market. However, I'd recommend getting clarification on a few key points before proceeding: 1. **Basis calculation** - Make sure you have clear documentation of your adjusted basis in the S Corp stock, including any loans you've made to the company that might affect your basis. 2. **Payment structure** - The installment agreement needs to specify the total sales price, payment schedule, and interest rate (at least the applicable federal rate). Even though payments are deferred, the total consideration must be determinable. 3. **S Corp elections** - Verify that selling 30% won't inadvertently terminate your S election due to ownership restrictions, especially if the buyer isn't eligible to be an S Corp shareholder. 4. **State tax implications** - Some states don't conform to federal installment sale treatment, so you might face different timing for state taxes. Given the complexity and significant tax implications you mentioned, I'd strongly suggest consulting with a tax professional experienced in S Corp transactions before finalizing the structure. The potential tax savings from proper planning could far exceed the cost of professional guidance.
This is really helpful, especially the point about S Corp election termination - I hadn't considered that risk. Quick question on the basis calculation - if I've been taking distributions over the years that exceeded my basis, would that affect my ability to use installment treatment? I'm wondering if there are any "phantom income" issues I should be aware of when the payments come in over multiple years. Also, regarding state conformity - do you know which states typically don't follow federal installment sale rules? I'm in California and want to make sure I'm not setting myself up for a surprise tax bill at the state level.
As someone who went from zero tax knowledge to confidently managing my small business taxes, I'd highly recommend starting with "J.K. Lasser's Small Business Taxes" - it's updated annually and has excellent worksheets you can actually use. The book walks through real scenarios step-by-step, which sounds perfect for your note-taking style. For a landscaping business specifically, pay close attention to equipment depreciation rules and vehicle expense tracking - these are huge deductions that many new business owners miss or calculate incorrectly. The book covers both Section 179 deductions and bonus depreciation in plain language. Definitely take that community college accounting course! I did the same thing (also came from a non-business background) and it was invaluable. The structured learning helped me understand the "why" behind tax strategies, not just the "what." Plus, you'll network with other small business owners facing similar challenges. One tip: before your first meeting with your tax preparer, read through at least one of these books so you can have an informed conversation about tax planning strategies for next year, not just compliance for this year.
This is exactly the kind of comprehensive advice I was hoping for! The J.K. Lasser book sounds perfect for my learning style. Quick question about the equipment depreciation - for a landscaping business, would things like mowers, trimmers, and trailers all qualify for Section 179 deductions? And do you have any recommendations for apps or systems to track vehicle expenses throughout the year? I want to make sure I'm capturing everything properly from day one rather than trying to reconstruct records later.
Yes, all that equipment typically qualifies for Section 179! Mowers, trimmers, trailers, even tools like chainsaws and leaf blowers - basically any equipment you use exclusively for business can be deducted in the year you buy it (up to the annual limits). The J.K. Lasser book has a great checklist of qualifying equipment. For vehicle expense tracking, I use MileIQ - it automatically tracks your trips using GPS and lets you categorize them as business or personal with a simple swipe. For landscaping, you'll probably want to track mileage between job sites, trips to pick up supplies, and equipment maintenance visits. The app generates IRS-compliant mileage logs that your tax preparer will love. Another tip: keep a simple notebook in your truck for tracking cash expenses at garden centers or when you grab supplies on the road. Those small purchases add up quickly but are easy to forget without immediate documentation.
Great thread! I'd add "Tax Savvy for Small Business" by Frederick Daily to your reading list. What sets this book apart is how it connects day-to-day business decisions to tax implications - really helpful for someone like you who wants to understand the "why" behind tax planning. Since you mentioned you're not afraid of technical material, I'd also suggest getting familiar with IRS Publication 535 (Business Expenses) - it's dry but comprehensive, and having read it will make you much more confident when discussing deductions with your tax preparer. One thing I wish someone had told me when I started: track EVERYTHING from day one, even if you're not sure it's deductible. It's much easier to exclude questionable expenses later than to try reconstructing records. For landscaping specifically, don't forget about things like work boots, safety equipment, and even business-related cell phone usage. The community college course is definitely worth it - I took one through continuing education and the networking alone paid for itself. You'll meet other small business owners dealing with similar challenges, and many instructors are practicing CPAs who can provide real-world insights beyond what you'll find in books.
I just wanted to add my voice to everyone saying check your IRS transcript first - it really is the fastest way to get answers! I went through this same situation about 6 months ago and was terrified I'd somehow messed up my taxes or that the IRS would demand the money back later. Turned out they had automatically applied the Recovery Rebate Credit that I was eligible for but hadn't claimed on my original return. The transcript showed exactly what happened with a clear code explanation. One thing I'll add that I haven't seen mentioned - if you do end up needing to call the IRS for any reason, try calling right when they open at 7 AM. I had much better luck getting through during the first hour they're open versus trying later in the day. But honestly, the transcript check will probably give you everything you need without having to call at all. Don't stress too much about it - these automatic adjustments happen all the time and are usually good news!
That's a great tip about calling right at 7 AM if you do need to reach them by phone! I never would have thought of that timing strategy. The Recovery Rebate Credit is another one of those credits that seems to get missed frequently during initial processing - it's reassuring to know the IRS systems catch these things automatically and send the additional refunds. Your experience really reinforces what everyone else has been saying about these adjustments being routine rather than something to panic about. It's amazing how many legitimate reasons there can be for unexpected refund checks - from calculation errors to missed credits to employer reporting corrections. Thanks for adding your perspective! The more examples people share, the more it helps others realize this isn't some rare or problematic situation. The transcript check really does seem to be the universal solution that works quickly for almost everyone.
This happened to me too! Got an unexpected $395 check about a month after my direct deposit refund came through. I was completely panicking thinking I'd made some huge mistake or that the IRS would come after me later demanding it back with penalties. After reading through all the great advice here, I checked my IRS account transcript online and found the answer immediately. Turns out they had made an automatic adjustment because my employer submitted a corrected W-2 that showed I had paid more state taxes than originally reported, which affected my state and local tax deduction on my federal return. The whole thing was resolved in literally 5 minutes of checking the transcript. I found a code 291 adjustment that explained exactly what happened. The IRS code lookup tool translated it into plain English so I could understand it without any confusion. I was so relieved to discover it was completely legitimate! I had worked myself up thinking this was going to be a massive headache, but it turned out to be a pleasant surprise. The IRS systems really do catch these things automatically and send corrections when they work in your favor. Definitely start with checking your transcript online - it's free, fast, and will give you peace of mind right away. Thanks to everyone in this thread for sharing their experiences and advice!
Lincoln Ramiro
One thing I learned the hard way - be super careful about claiming too much of your house as rental property if you ever want to claim the capital gains exclusion when selling! If you claim 60% as rental, you might only be able to exclude 40% of your gains from capital gains taxes when you sell. Also, make sure you're tracking the dates that rooms are actually rented vs. vacant. If a room sits empty for a few months while you're looking for a tenant, the expenses during that time are still deductible as long as the room is being actively marketed for rent.
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Faith Kingston
ā¢Wait, so does this mean I shouldn't be claiming as much rental use as possible? I thought the goal was to maximize deductions?
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Sean O'Brien
Great question about the capital gains exclusion! You're right to think about maximizing deductions, but it's all about timing and your long-term plans. If you're planning to sell within a few years, you might want to be more conservative with your rental percentage claims. But if you're planning to keep the property long-term, maximizing current deductions usually makes more sense. The key is that you can qualify for the capital gains exclusion on your primary residence portion as long as you've lived in the home as your main residence for at least 2 of the last 5 years before selling. So if you're claiming 60% rental use, you'd potentially pay capital gains on 60% of your profit, but exclude up to $250k (or $500k if married) of gains on the 40% personal use portion. Run the numbers both ways - sometimes the annual tax savings from higher rental deductions outweigh the future capital gains hit, especially if you're in a high tax bracket now. A good tax professional can help you model different scenarios based on your specific situation and timeline.
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Nadia Zaldivar
ā¢This is exactly the kind of strategic thinking I wish I'd had when I first started renting out rooms! I jumped straight into maximizing deductions without considering the long-term implications. Now I'm realizing I might have painted myself into a corner for when I eventually want to sell. @Sean O'Brien - do you know if there's a way to adjust your rental percentage claims in future years if your situation changes? Like if I initially claimed 60% rental use but later decide I want to be more conservative, can I dial that back to maybe 40% in subsequent tax years? Or does the IRS expect consistency once you establish a pattern? I'm also curious about the 2-out-of-5-years rule - if I stop renting rooms entirely a year before selling, would that help me qualify for more of the capital gains exclusion on the whole property?
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