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17 This happened to me with a different payroll company last year. If you're filing your taxes soon and don't want to wait for this to get resolved, you can use the information from your physical W-2 and attach Form 4852 (Substitute for Form W-2) to your tax return. You'll need your last pay stub from ADP to verify the information. This puts the issue on record with the IRS and allows you to file on time even if ADP is dragging their feet on fixing their mistake.
Filing with Form 4852 can potentially delay your refund, yes. The IRS typically processes these returns manually rather than electronically, which adds extra time. You might also receive correspondence from the IRS asking for additional documentation to verify the information on the substitute form. However, if you're close to the tax filing deadline and ADP hasn't resolved the issue, it's still better to file with Form 4852 than to file late. Just make sure all the information matches exactly what's on your physical W-2 and your final pay stub from ADP. Keep copies of everything in case the IRS requests more documentation later.
This is a serious compliance issue that unfortunately happens more than it should when companies switch payroll providers. As a tax professional, I've seen this exact scenario multiple times with ADP and other major payroll companies. Here's what I recommend for immediate action: 1. **Contact your former employer's HR department first** - they have the strongest leverage with ADP since they were the client. ADP is still legally obligated to correct W-2 reporting errors regardless of current client status. 2. **Document everything** - keep records of all your attempts to contact ADP, including dates, times, and any reference numbers. This creates a paper trail if you need to escalate. 3. **File a complaint with the SSA** if ADP doesn't respond within a reasonable timeframe. You can report employers who fail to file W-2s at ssa.gov/employer/ssnv.htm. 4. **Consider involving your state's labor department** - many states have regulations about timely W-2 reporting and can put additional pressure on ADP. The fact that this affected 35 employees makes it a significant violation. ADP faces penalties of $50-$280 per W-2 for late or missing filings, so they should be motivated to fix this quickly once properly notified. Don't wait too long to address this - while you can file with Form 4852 as others mentioned, it's much cleaner to get the actual W-2 properly reported to the government systems.
This is really helpful advice! I hadn't thought about involving the state labor department if ADP continues to stonewall us. Do you know if there's a specific timeframe we should give ADP to respond before escalating to the SSA or state level? Also, since this affected our entire company, would it be more effective if we all filed complaints together or individually?
I'm currently dealing with this exact same situation! My transcript updated with a 570 code about 9 days ago with no 971, and as someone who's also new to navigating the US tax system, I completely relate to feeling overwhelmed by all these codes and the uncertainty they create. What's been incredibly reassuring after reading through everyone's experiences here is seeing such a consistent pattern - standalone 570 codes (without 971) seem to have a really strong track record of resolving automatically within 2-4 weeks. The key insight that keeps coming up is that when the IRS actually needs documentation or has serious concerns, they typically generate that 971 notice code immediately alongside the 570. I've definitely been guilty of checking my transcript way too frequently (probably daily despite promising myself I wouldn't!), but it's so comforting to see how many people have been through this same anxiety and uncertainty and had positive outcomes. The automated verification flags seem to be the new normal this filing season, but thankfully most people are reporting that they clear up without requiring any action from us. Coming from a different tax system where processes were much more straightforward and predictable, this waiting game and trying to decode what's happening behind the scenes is definitely stressful. But based on all the shared experiences in this thread, it really sounds like we're just caught up in routine internal reviews rather than anything serious. Thanks for starting this discussion - it's been so helpful to see that we're not alone in navigating this confusing process. The waiting is definitely the hardest part, but seeing all these success stories gives me hope that our situations will resolve soon too!
I'm experiencing the exact same situation right now! My transcript showed a 570 code about 5 days ago with no 971, and as someone who's also completely new to the US tax system, this whole process has been so overwhelming and confusing. Coming from a different country where tax procedures were much more direct and transparent, trying to understand what all these codes mean feels like trying to crack some kind of secret code! What's been incredibly helpful and reassuring is reading through everyone's experiences in this thread - there's such a clear and consistent pattern showing that standalone 570 codes (without the 971) tend to resolve themselves within 2-3 weeks without any taxpayer action required. It really seems like if they actually needed something from us or had serious concerns, that 971 notice code would appear right away. I'm definitely guilty of checking my transcript way too often (probably every day, sometimes multiple times!), even though I keep reminding myself that updates typically happen on weekly cycles. It's so hard to be patient when you're anxious and don't know what's happening behind the scenes! But seeing all these success stories from people who've been in our exact situation is really helping me stay more optimistic about the outcome. The automated verification processes seem to be much more common this year, but the good news is that most people are seeing them clear up pretty quickly. Thanks for sharing your experience and timeline - it really helps to know we're all going through this uncertainty together and supporting each other through it. Here's hoping all of our 570 codes resolve soon!
I'm going through this exact same situation right now! My transcript updated with a 570 code about 3 days ago with no 971, and as someone who's also trying to navigate the US tax system coming from a different country, I completely understand that feeling of being lost in all these codes and numbers. What's been really reassuring after reading through all these shared experiences is seeing how consistently standalone 570 codes seem to resolve automatically within 2-4 weeks. The pattern that keeps emerging is so clear - when there's no 971 code alongside the 570, it typically means they're doing an internal review that doesn't require any action or documentation from us. If they actually needed something, that 971 notice code would usually appear right away. I've definitely been guilty of checking my transcript way too frequently (probably every day despite telling myself to be patient!), but seeing all these success stories from people who've been in our exact situation is really helping calm my nerves. The automated verification processes seem to be much more common this filing season, but the good news is that the vast majority are clearing up without any taxpayer intervention needed. Coming from a tax system that was much more straightforward and predictable, this whole waiting game and uncertainty is definitely stressful. But based on everyone's experiences here, it sounds like we're likely just caught up in routine processing delays rather than anything serious. Thanks for starting this thread - it's been so helpful to see we're not alone in trying to decode this confusing system! Hoping your 570 clears soon.
I'm dealing with the exact same situation! My transcript updated with a 570 code about 6 days ago with no 971, and like everyone else here, I'm also trying to figure out this completely different tax system as a newcomer. Reading through this entire thread has been such a lifesaver - it's amazing to see how many people have gone through this identical experience and had positive outcomes. The consistent pattern of standalone 570 codes resolving within 2-3 weeks without any action needed is really giving me hope. I've been checking my transcript probably way too often (guilty!), but seeing all these success stories is helping me be more patient. It's such a relief to know we're all supporting each other through this confusing process!
Just wanted to add from personal experience - my now-spouse and I were in almost this exact situation 2 years ago. We decided to get legally married but maintained separate households because of kids and custody schedules. We had to switch from both filing HOH to married filing jointly, and honestly, our tax situation actually improved slightly. The higher standard deduction and more favorable tax brackets for joint filers offset what we lost from HOH status. Plus, tax preparation was so much simpler doing one joint return instead of two separate ones. Sometimes the tax code actually works in your favor!
This is a really common misconception! Once you're legally married, the IRS considers you married for the entire tax year, regardless of when during the year you got married or your living arrangements. You'll need to choose between Married Filing Jointly or Married Filing Separately - you can't both file as Head of Household. The "considered unmarried" exception that allows married people to file HOH has very strict requirements, including living completely apart from your spouse for the last 6 months of the tax year. Since you mentioned spending kid-free weekends together, this would disqualify you from that exception. However, I'd strongly recommend running the numbers before making any decisions! With your income levels and dependents, Married Filing Jointly might actually save you money compared to your current HOH filings. The joint standard deduction is essentially double the single amount, and you might benefit from more favorable tax brackets and other married filing benefits. Many couples are surprised to find that the "marriage penalty" isn't as bad as they expected, especially with similar incomes.
This is really helpful clarification! I'm new to this community but dealing with a somewhat similar situation. My partner and I are considering marriage but we're both currently filing as head of household and weren't sure how that would change things. Your point about running the numbers first is spot on - I think a lot of us just assume marriage will hurt us tax-wise without actually calculating it. Do you happen to know if there are any online calculators that can help estimate the difference between current HOH filings versus married filing jointly? It would be great to see the actual numbers before making any big decisions. Also, just to clarify - you mentioned the "considered unmarried" exception requires living completely apart for 6 months. Does "completely apart" mean absolutely no overnight stays at each other's places, or is there some wiggle room for occasional visits?
You can actually generate Form 1098 without expensive software! The IRS provides free fillable forms on their website that you can complete and print. Just go to irs.gov and search for "Form 1098 fillable." You'll need to manually enter the borrower's information, SSN, the total interest they paid you, and your information as the lender. If you want something more automated, there are also inexpensive online services like TaxAct or FreeTaxUSA that can generate 1098s for under $20. Much cheaper than QuickBooks if you're only doing one seller-financed property. Just make sure you keep good records throughout the year - track each payment showing principal vs interest breakdown. I created a simple spreadsheet with columns for payment date, total payment, principal portion, and interest portion. Makes filling out the 1098 much easier at year-end!
This is super helpful! I had no idea the IRS offered free fillable forms for 1098s. I've been stressing about having to buy expensive software just to generate one form. The spreadsheet idea is brilliant too - I'm definitely going to set that up to track my payments going forward. One quick question - do you know if there's a minimum threshold for issuing the 1098? I think I remember reading something about $600 but want to make sure I'm not missing any requirements for smaller amounts.
You're absolutely right about the $600 threshold! You only need to issue Form 1098 if you received $600 or more in mortgage interest during the tax year. If the interest you received was less than $600, you're not required to send the 1098 to the borrower or file it with the IRS. However, you still need to report ALL the interest income you received on your personal tax return (Schedule B), regardless of whether it was above or below $600. The $600 threshold is just for the reporting requirement to the borrower and IRS, not for your own tax obligations. So if your buyer only paid you $400 in interest for the year, you'd still report that $400 as income on your taxes, but you wouldn't need to generate a 1098 form for them.
Great comprehensive advice everyone! As someone who's been through this maze multiple times with different seller-financed properties, I'd add one more crucial point that often gets overlooked - make sure you're charging at least the Applicable Federal Rate (AFR) for interest, or the IRS may impute additional interest income to you. The IRS publishes AFR rates monthly, and if your interest rate is below the AFR for the month you made the loan, they can treat the difference as additional taxable income to you AND as a gift to the buyer (which could trigger gift tax issues if it's significant). I learned this the hard way on my first seller-financed deal where I was being "generous" with a below-market rate. My CPA caught it during review and we had to amend some filings. Now I always check the AFR before setting terms - you can find the current rates in IRS Revenue Rulings or on their website under "Applicable Federal Rates." This is especially important for family transactions or situations where you might be tempted to offer a really low rate to help the buyer qualify. The tax implications can end up costing both parties more than just charging a market rate from the start.
This is such an important point that I wish I'd known earlier! I'm currently negotiating seller financing terms and was planning to offer a below-market rate to make it more attractive for the buyer. Had no idea about the AFR requirements and potential gift tax implications. Quick question - if I set my rate at exactly the AFR, am I safe from any imputed income issues? Or do I need to go above the AFR to be completely in the clear? Also, is the AFR based on the month the loan is finalized or does it change throughout the loan term? Thanks for sharing this - definitely saving me from a potential headache down the road!
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This is a complex situation but definitely fixable! Here's what I'd recommend as your action plan: 1. **Contact the original Roth IRA provider first** - Even if you don't have statements, they're required to keep records for years. Request a complete contribution and earnings history from when the account was opened until it was closed in 2021. 2. **File Form 8606 for 2018** if you haven't already - Since that $7,300 wasn't deducted, you need to establish basis to avoid double taxation later. Better to pay the $50 late filing penalty now than deal with bigger problems during conversion. 3. **Consider a strategic Roth conversion** - Once you have the contribution/earnings breakdown, you can convert the entire traditional IRA back to Roth. You'll only pay taxes on: (a) any earnings from the original Roth that lost tax-free status when rolled over, and (b) the growth that occurred in the traditional IRA since 2021. 4. **Don't rush this** - Take time to get accurate records and possibly consult a tax professional who specializes in retirement accounts. The tax implications of getting this wrong could be significant. The good news is that a large portion of your $41K is likely contributions that can convert tax-free. Getting proper documentation is key to minimizing your tax hit.
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Natasha Petrova
One thing that might help speed up the record-gathering process is to check if you have any old tax documents that could fill in the gaps. Look for Form 5498s from the years between your last statement (2017) and the rollover (2021) - your tax preparer might have copies even if you don't. Also, when you contact Charles Schwab, ask specifically about their "account reconstruction" services. Many major brokerages can recreate historical account summaries even when you don't have all the paperwork. They might be able to tell you exactly how much of that $33K was principal vs. gains when it came in. Before you make any moves, I'd strongly suggest running the numbers on what the tax hit would be under different scenarios. Sometimes it makes sense to do a partial conversion over multiple years to stay in lower tax brackets, especially if you're dealing with a substantial amount in taxable gains.
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ā¢This is really helpful advice about the account reconstruction services! I had no idea brokerages could do that. One question though - if we do find out there were significant gains in the original Roth that would be taxable when converting back, would it make sense to just leave some of that money in the traditional IRA for now? Like maybe convert the contributions first and then deal with the taxable portion later when we're in a lower tax bracket? Or does the IRS require you to convert everything proportionally?
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