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I had a friend who didn't report about $1200 in side income from these apps. The IRS sent him a letter 18 months later asking about it! Turns out the person who paid him filed it as a business expense, which created a mismatch. Not worth the stress IMO.

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Aiden Chen

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Thats scary. Did ur friend have to pay penalties or just the taxes they should have paid originally?

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StarSeeker

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He had to pay the back taxes plus interest, but luckily no penalties since it was considered an honest mistake rather than intentional tax evasion. The IRS was pretty reasonable about it once he explained the situation and paid what he owed. Still, the whole process took months to resolve and was super stressful. Better to just report everything upfront!

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Thanks for asking this question - I was wondering the same thing! Based on all the responses here, it's clear that even small amounts like your $650 need to be reported. I appreciate everyone sharing their experiences with the various tools and services mentioned. One thing I'd add is to make sure you keep good records of what the payments were for. If it was truly income from work/services, you'll need to report it. But if any of those CashApp payments were reimbursements from friends (like splitting dinner bills) or gifts, those might not be taxable income. The key is being able to document the nature of each payment. It sounds like the safest approach is to report everything and let the IRS sort it out rather than risk getting a letter later asking questions you can't easily answer.

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Great point about distinguishing between actual income and reimbursements/gifts! That's something I hadn't considered before. I've been treating all my CashApp transactions the same way, but you're right that splitting a restaurant bill with friends isn't taxable income. Do you happen to know if there's a specific way the IRS expects us to document the difference? Like if I received $100 from a friend but $50 was reimbursement for concert tickets I bought for both of us and $50 was payment for helping them move, would I need some kind of written record of what each payment was for? This whole thread has been super helpful - definitely better to be overly cautious than deal with IRS letters later!

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I completely understand the stress you're experiencing right now - discovering that your CPA made the same critical error for two consecutive years would shake anyone's confidence! But after reading through all these helpful responses, it's clear you have a solid roadmap for resolving this. What strikes me most is how proactive you've been in catching this error during your own document review rather than waiting for an IRS notice. That actually demonstrates exactly the kind of responsible business management that works in your favor when requesting penalty abatements. A few additional thoughts based on what others have shared: **Timeline expectations**: While the amendment process can take 6-8 months for full IRS processing, you should be able to file your 2024 return normally once you've submitted the corrections with proper explanations. **CPA firm accountability**: Their initial reaction to this discovery will tell you everything you need to know about their professionalism. A reputable firm should immediately take full responsibility, handle all corrections at no cost, and explain what process changes they're implementing to prevent future errors. **Documentation is key**: Beyond your EIN confirmation letter, gather any business contracts, bank documents, or prior communications that show you consistently provided the correct EIN. This creates an ironclad case that the error was purely on the preparer's side. You're handling this exactly right by addressing it head-on rather than hoping it goes away. The IRS actually appreciates taxpayers who proactively correct errors with proper documentation and explanations.

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Ava Harris

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This is such excellent comprehensive advice! Your point about the proactive discovery actually working in favor for penalty abatements is something I hadn't fully considered - it really does show good faith compliance rather than trying to hide mistakes. I'm especially grateful for your timeline clarification about being able to file 2024 returns normally once the amendments are submitted. That was one of my biggest concerns - whether this error would somehow complicate or delay my current year filings. Knowing I can proceed with this year's taxes while the corrections are being processed is a huge relief. Your advice about using the CPA firm's reaction as a litmus test for their professionalism is spot on. I think I've been too hesitant to push back on their initial defensive response, but you're absolutely right that a reputable firm should immediately own this mistake and outline concrete steps they're taking to prevent it from happening again. Their reaction will definitely inform my decision about whether to continue working with them. Thanks for helping frame this as something manageable rather than catastrophic. Reading everyone's experiences here has been incredibly reassuring!

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Rita Jacobs

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I'm really sorry to hear about this stressful situation! As a fellow small business owner, I can only imagine how panicked you must have felt when you discovered this error. But after reading through all the excellent advice here, it sounds like you have a clear path forward and this is definitely fixable. What really stands out to me is that you caught this through your own diligent document review rather than getting blindsided by an IRS notice. That actually puts you in a much stronger position - it demonstrates good faith effort and responsible business practices, which the IRS takes into account when considering penalty waivers. A few things I'd emphasize based on what others have shared: - **Time is your friend right now** - Discovering this in January gives you plenty of runway to get everything corrected before the next filing season gets crazy - **Don't let your CPA minimize this** - Transposing an EIN for two consecutive years suggests a systematic problem with their quality control, not just a simple typo - **Keep detailed records** of every step you take to fix this, including all communications with your CPA firm The consensus seems to be that EIN errors, while serious, are more common than you'd think and the IRS has established procedures for handling them. With proper documentation and prompt action, you should be able to get through this without major penalties. You're handling this exactly right by taking immediate action instead of hoping it goes away. Stay strong - you've got this!

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Thank you for such a thoughtful and encouraging response! As someone new to this community, I'm honestly amazed by how supportive and knowledgeable everyone has been about this issue. When I first discovered the EIN error, I felt completely alone and wasn't sure where to turn for advice. Your point about timing being on my side really helps put things in perspective. I was initially beating myself up for not catching this sooner, but you're absolutely right that discovering it in January is actually ideal timing - both for getting professional help during the slower season and for having plenty of time to resolve everything before next year's filing deadlines. The emphasis on documentation from everyone here has been eye-opening too. I've already started gathering all my EIN-related paperwork and creating that spreadsheet someone mentioned earlier to track all the moving pieces. It's actually helping me feel more in control of the situation rather than overwhelmed by it. I'm definitely taking the advice about not letting my CPA firm minimize this error. Reading everyone's experiences has given me the confidence to be more assertive about expecting them to take full responsibility and handle all corrections at their expense. Thanks for the encouragement - this community has been incredibly helpful!

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Has anyone used those property tax consulting companies that promise to get your assessment lowered? My neighbor said they charge like 30-40% of whatever they save you in the first year. Seems steep but might be worth it with such a big increase??

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Aiden Chen

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I used one last year. They did get my assessment lowered by about $35k, which saved me around $700, but they took $280 of that. Honestly, once I saw what they did, I realized I could have done it myself by just pulling comp sales from Zillow and Redfin. The forms weren't that complicated.

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Chloe Wilson

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I went through this exact same situation two years ago - my assessment jumped from $185k to $278k seemingly overnight! I was absolutely terrified about what it would mean for my taxes. Here's what I learned: First, don't panic. While your assessment went up 50%, your taxes likely won't increase by that much. Most municipalities are required to adjust their mill rates when they do widespread reassessments to prevent massive tax increases for everyone. Second, definitely appeal if you think the assessment is too high. I gathered comparable sales data from my neighborhood and found several homes that sold for significantly less than what they assessed mine at. The appeal process took about 3 months, but they reduced my assessment by $31k. Also check what exemptions you might qualify for. I discovered I was eligible for a homestead exemption that I had never applied for, which saved me an additional $200 per year. The key is to act quickly - most places have strict deadlines for appeals (usually 30-60 days from when you receive the notice). Don't just accept the new assessment without doing your homework first!

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Salim Nasir

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This is really helpful advice! I'm curious though - when you gathered comparable sales data, where did you get the most reliable information? Did you just use online sites like Zillow or did you have to get official sales records from somewhere else? I'm worried that if I use the wrong data source, it might hurt my appeal rather than help it.

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Your manager is absolutely misleading you! I'm a server at a busy casual dining restaurant, and the "all your tips go to taxes" line is probably the most common lie managers tell to keep good hosts from switching positions. Here's my real situation: I make about $24/hour after taxes on average as a server, compared to the $13/hour I was making when I hosted at my previous job. Yes, I pay taxes on my tips - roughly 22% total between federal, state, and FICA taxes - but that still leaves me with 78% of my tip income PLUS the $2.83 base hourly wage. The math is straightforward: if I make $150 in tips during a dinner shift, I pay about $33 in taxes and keep $117 from tips, plus my hourly wage. That works out to way more than I'd make hosting for the same hours at $12/hour. Your manager knows that experienced hosts are harder to replace than servers, so they're trying to keep you in your current role with tax misinformation. It's purely for their convenience, not your financial benefit. I'd recommend being persistent but professional about requesting server training. Frame it as wanting to develop new skills rather than calling out their lie directly. Most managers will eventually cave once they realize you've done your homework on how restaurant taxes actually work. Don't let them cap your earning potential with false information about the tax code!

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NebulaNova

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This whole thread has been so eye-opening! As someone completely new to the restaurant industry, I had no idea this kind of tax misinformation was so common from managers. @Giovanni Conti - your breakdown of keeping 78% of tips plus hourly wage really puts it in perspective. It s'honestly pretty shocking that managers would deliberately mislead employees about taxes just to avoid the inconvenience of training replacements. Makes me wonder what other advice "from" management in various industries might actually be self-serving rather than helpful to employees. For anyone else reading this who might be in a similar situation - it sounds like the key takeaway is to always do your own research on tax implications rather than taking your manager s'word for it, especially when it conveniently benefits them to keep you in your current role!

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Amina Diallo

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As someone who works in payroll for a restaurant chain, I can confirm that your manager is absolutely giving you false information. This is unfortunately a very common tactic we see managers use to prevent good hosts from transitioning to serving roles. The reality is that tips are taxed as ordinary income at your regular tax rate - typically 10-12% federal for someone making $12/hour, plus 7.65% for FICA taxes, plus state taxes if applicable. So you're looking at roughly 20-25% total tax rate, meaning you keep 75-80% of every tip dollar. Here's what actually happens with your paychecks: Your employer reports your credit card tips automatically, and you're supposed to report cash tips. The restaurant then withholds taxes on both your hourly wage and reported tips. Many servers find that their $2.75/hour base wage isn't enough to cover all the withholding on tips, so they either owe at tax time or request additional withholding. But even accounting for taxes, servers consistently out-earn hosts by a significant margin. I've processed thousands of paychecks and can tell you that servers typically make 1.5-2x what hosts make, even after all taxes are considered. Your manager is prioritizing their own convenience over your financial growth. I'd recommend pushing back professionally - good hosts are valuable, but that doesn't mean you should be kept from advancing your career with tax misinformation.

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Jayden Hill

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This is incredibly helpful coming from someone who actually processes restaurant payrolls! @Amina Diallo - your insight about the withholding situation is really valuable. When you mention that the $2.75 base wage often isn t'enough to cover tax withholding on tips, what would you recommend for someone transitioning from hosting to serving? Should they immediately ask for additional withholding from their paychecks, or is it better to set aside cash from tips? Also, when you say servers make 1.5-2x what hosts make even after taxes, is that based on full-time hours or does that ratio hold up even for part-time server shifts? I m'trying to figure out if it makes sense to do both roles or push for full-time serving. It s'really validating to hear from someone with access to actual payroll data that this tax excuse is complete nonsense. Makes me feel much more confident about pushing back on my manager s'claims!

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Thanks for all the helpful advice everyone! I'm leaning toward putting $6,000 for the child tax credits instead of the full $8,000 to ensure I get that refund. Just to make sure I understand - when I file my actual tax return next year, I'll still claim all 4 kids and get the full $8,000 credit regardless of what I put on the W-4, right? The W-4 just affects how much they take out of my paychecks during the year? Also @Emma Johnson, thanks for the tip about checking the box in Step 2(c) since my spouse doesn't work - I definitely would have missed that!

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Malik Thomas

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That's exactly right! The W-4 only controls withholding during the year - it doesn't affect what credits you can claim when filing your actual tax return. So yes, you'll still get the full $8,000 child tax credit for all 4 kids when you file, regardless of putting $6,000 on your W-4. The difference just means you'll have had less withheld from your paychecks, resulting in that refund you want. Smart strategy to ensure you get that February bonus!

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Sergio Neal

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One more thing to consider - since you mentioned your household income is around $135K, you should be aware that the Child Tax Credit starts to phase out at $150K for married filing jointly (in 2025). You're well under that threshold, so you'll get the full $2,000 per child, but it's something to keep in mind if your income increases in future years. Also, with 4 kids, don't forget you might be eligible for the Child and Dependent Care Credit if you have any childcare expenses (even though your spouse stays home, you might have summer camps, after-school care, etc.). That's another credit that could affect your overall tax picture, though it won't change what you put on the W-4 since that credit can't be anticipated in withholding. Your plan to put $6,000 instead of $8,000 sounds solid for getting that refund you're looking for!

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Great point about the phase-out threshold! It's reassuring to know there's some cushion there. Quick question - if someone's income does exceed that $150K threshold in future years, does the phase-out happen gradually or is it a cliff where you suddenly lose the whole credit? And does that phase-out affect how you should fill out your W-4, or do you just deal with it when filing your return? Also, the Child and Dependent Care Credit is something I hadn't thought about - even with a stay-at-home spouse, we do have some summer camp expenses. Good to know that won't complicate the W-4 but could help at tax time!

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