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Ravi Sharma

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Has anyone tried amending previous returns to optimize how capital losses were applied? I'm in a similar situation but wondering if I should have used my losses differently in past years.

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NebulaNomad

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You generally can't amend returns just to "optimize" how you used capital losses if you reported everything correctly the first time. Amendments are for correcting errors, not changing strategies after the fact.

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This is exactly the kind of situation where having a clear understanding of joint filing benefits really pays off! Your $50,000 capital loss carryover will definitely offset your wife's $5,000 capital gains completely when you file jointly - that's one of the major advantages of joint filing. What's great about your situation is that after using $5,000 of your carryover to offset her gains, you'll still be able to deduct the standard $3,000 against your ordinary income, leaving you with $42,000 to carry forward to next year. So essentially, you're getting the maximum benefit from your losses this year. One thing to keep in mind for future planning - if your wife continues to have capital gains in upcoming years, your remaining carryover will continue to offset those gains first before you can take the $3,000 ordinary income deduction. This could actually work out well for you both since capital gains are typically taxed at lower rates than ordinary income anyway. Make sure to keep good records of your carryover amounts each year so you can track how much you have remaining. Most tax software handles this automatically if you stick with the same program year after year.

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This is really helpful! I'm new to dealing with capital losses and was worried that my husband's investment losses from a few years ago wouldn't help with my recent stock gains. It's reassuring to know that filing jointly actually combines everything together. One follow-up question - you mentioned that capital gains are typically taxed at lower rates than ordinary income. Does this mean we're actually getting a better deal by using the carryover against my capital gains rather than just taking the $3,000 deduction against ordinary income?

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Did you have any credits like EIC or CTC? Those usually take longer to process and get more scrutiny.

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Liam McGuire

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yeah claimed EIC this year...guess that explains the hold up šŸ˜®ā€šŸ’Ø

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EIC claims definitely get extra scrutiny and can add weeks to processing time. The good news is once you see those 571/290/971 codes, it usually means they've finished their review and you're in the final stages. Based on your transcript showing movement on 12-10-2024 with the 570 code still there, I'd expect to see an 846 code (refund issued) within the next 1-2 weeks. The -$42 balance is actually your refund amount after interest calculations. Keep checking your transcript updates on Thursdays/Fridays - that's when they typically post new cycles.

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Zainab Ahmed

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This is super helpful! I'm in a similar situation with EIC and was wondering why it's taking so long. Quick question - when you say "refund amount after interest calculations," does that mean the -$42 is what I'll actually get, or is there more to it? I'm still trying to understand how to read these transcripts properly šŸ˜…

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm in a similar boat at $148k salary and have been stressing about whether I can contribute to a Roth IRA this year. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the timing aspect - if you realize late in the year that you need to increase your 401k contributions to get under the MAGI limit, there might not be enough paychecks left to make the full adjustment through payroll deductions. In that case, you might need to look into whether your employer allows "true-up" contributions or if you can make a lump sum contribution before year-end. Some employers are flexible about this, others aren't. It's worth checking with HR early in the year about their policies. Also, don't forget that if you do end up slightly over the Roth IRA income limits, you can still do a backdoor Roth conversion (contribute to non-deductible traditional IRA, then convert to Roth). It's a bit more paperwork but achieves the same goal of getting money into a Roth account. The key takeaway from all these great responses seems to be: plan early, track throughout the year, and don't be afraid to be conservative with your estimates!

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Amina Toure

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Great point about the timing issue! I ran into this exact problem two years ago when I realized in November that I was going to be over the Roth limit. Thankfully my company allowed me to do a one-time increase to my 401k contribution percentage that applied to my remaining paychecks, but it meant like 40% of my last two paychecks went to my 401k to catch up! The backdoor Roth strategy is definitely worth understanding as a backup plan. Just make sure you don't have any existing traditional IRA balances before doing it, or you'll run into pro-rata rule complications. I learned that the hard way and had to do some complex tax calculations. One other timing tip - if you're using HSA contributions as part of your MAGI reduction strategy, those have more flexibility since you can contribute to an HSA up until the tax filing deadline (April 15th of the following year) for the prior tax year. So even if you max out your 401k options, you might still have some room to adjust with HSA contributions if you qualify for one.

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Carmen Vega

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This has been such an educational thread! I'm a tax preparer and see this exact scenario with clients all the time. One additional consideration I'd like to add: make sure you're factoring in state tax implications too when deciding how much to contribute to your traditional 401k. While reducing your MAGI for Roth IRA qualification is great, in some high-tax states, the immediate tax savings from 401k contributions can be substantial. In other states with no income tax, you might want to be more strategic about not over-contributing to traditional accounts if you expect to be in a higher tax bracket in retirement. Also, for those mentioning the backdoor Roth strategy as a backup - just remember that if you have ANY traditional IRA balances (even old rollover IRAs from previous jobs), the pro-rata rule applies to the entire conversion, not just the new non-deductible contribution. I've seen people accidentally create bigger tax bills thinking they could just convert the non-deductible portion. The bottom line advice from this thread is solid though: start planning early in the year, track your income monthly, and don't be afraid to adjust your contribution percentages as needed. Having multiple strategies (401k contributions, HSA if eligible, spousal IRA if applicable) gives you flexibility to optimize throughout the year.

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Harold Oh

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This is exactly the kind of professional insight I was hoping to find! As someone new to navigating these income limits, the state tax angle is something I hadn't even considered. I'm in California so those tax savings from 401k contributions are definitely significant. The pro-rata rule warning is super helpful too - I have an old rollover IRA from my previous job that I completely forgot about. Sounds like I need to either roll that into my current 401k or be really careful about the backdoor Roth math if I go that route. One quick question for you as a tax pro: when you're helping clients plan this strategy, do you typically recommend they aim to get well under the MAGI limit with a buffer, or try to optimize right at the edge? I'm wondering if the peace of mind of being safely under the Roth limit is worth potentially over-contributing to the 401k and giving up some flexibility with that money.

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Oliver Schulz

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@a3bb40c81223 Great question about the buffer strategy! From my experience helping clients, I typically recommend aiming for a buffer of $2,000-$5,000 under the MAGI limit rather than trying to optimize right at the edge. Here's why: First, income can be unpredictable - unexpected bonuses, stock option exercises, freelance income, or even changes in tax law can push you over. The excess contribution penalties and paperwork hassle aren't worth the risk of trying to optimize to the dollar. Second, in California specifically, the state tax savings from additional 401k contributions are substantial (9.3%+ marginal rate), so you're still getting solid value from those "extra" contributions even if you didn't technically need them for Roth qualification. That said, if liquidity is a major concern and you're confident about your income projections, you could start more conservatively and then increase contributions mid-year if needed. The key is having a plan and tracking throughout the year rather than trying to figure it all out in December! For your old rollover IRA, definitely consider rolling it into your current 401k if the plan accepts rollovers - it'll clean up the pro-rata complications and give you more investment options for future backdoor Roth strategies if needed.

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Great advice from everyone here! I went through a similar situation last year (Nevada resident with internship in Oregon), and I wanted to add a few practical tips that helped me: 1. Keep detailed records of your work dates and location - I created a simple spreadsheet tracking which days I worked in California vs any remote work days from Arizona. This was super helpful when filling out the forms. 2. Don't panic about the "double taxation" - it sounds scary but the credit system really does work. I actually got a small refund from Oregon even though I was worried about owing money. 3. File early if possible! Multi-state returns can take longer to process, and if there are any issues, you'll want time to resolve them before the deadline. 4. Consider the standard deduction differences between states - California's standard deduction might be different from Arizona's, which could affect your overall tax situation. One last thing - if you had any moving expenses related to your internship (even temporary housing), keep those receipts. While the federal moving expense deduction was eliminated for most people, some states still allow it for temporary work assignments. Good luck with your returns!

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This is incredibly helpful, thank you! I'm especially glad you mentioned keeping track of remote work days - I did work from my dorm room in Arizona a few times during the internship when the company had "work from anywhere" days. Should I be allocating those specific days to Arizona instead of California for tax purposes? Also, you mentioned moving expenses - I did pay for temporary housing in California and had some travel costs getting there. Even though the federal deduction isn't available, are you saying Arizona might still allow me to deduct these expenses? That would be amazing if true! One quick question about filing early - do you know if there's any advantage to filing the state returns before doing the federal return, or does the order not matter as long as I do California before Arizona?

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Leila Haddad

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Great questions! For the remote work days from Arizona, yes - you should allocate those to Arizona since that's where you physically performed the work. California taxes based on where the work is actually performed, not where your employer is located. So if you worked 3 days remotely from Arizona out of a 5-day week, only 2 days of that week's wages would be California-sourced. For moving expenses, you'll need to check Arizona's specific rules. Many states that still allow moving expense deductions require the move to be for a permanent job change (lasting more than a year), so a temporary internship might not qualify. But it's definitely worth researching Arizona Form 140 instructions or consulting a tax professional since the rules vary significantly by state. Regarding filing order - federal vs state doesn't matter much, but definitely do California before Arizona as others mentioned. The federal return can be filed anytime relative to the states. I actually found it helpful to complete my federal return first since it gave me a good overview of all my income sources, then tackle the state returns in the right order. Keep those detailed records - the IRS and states love documentation if they ever question your allocation!

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Oliver Cheng

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Just wanted to share my experience since I went through almost the exact same situation last year - Arizona resident with a summer internship in California earning about $13,500. The advice here is spot-on, but I'll add a few things that caught me off guard: First, California's nonresident return (540NR) was actually pretty straightforward once I got started. The tricky part was making sure I only reported the income I earned while physically present in California. Since you mentioned earning $12,800 over three months, that should all be California-sourced income. Second, Arizona's credit for taxes paid to other states worked exactly as described - I used Form 301 (Credit for Tax Paid to Another State) along with my Form 140. Just make sure you have your completed California return handy because you'll need those exact numbers. One thing nobody mentioned - if you're still claimed as a dependent by your parents, make sure they don't accidentally claim your internship income on their return. I had to file an amended return because my parents' tax preparer included my W-2 with theirs by mistake. Also, start gathering your documents now if you haven't already. You'll need your W-2 showing California wages and withholding, and if you moved to California temporarily, keep any lease agreements or receipts that show your temporary residency status. The whole process took me about 2 hours using TurboTax, and I actually got refunds from both states because they had over-withheld. Don't stress too much - the system really does work to prevent double taxation!

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Sasha Ivanov

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This is super reassuring to hear from someone who went through the exact same situation! I'm definitely feeling less overwhelmed now. Quick question about the dependent status thing you mentioned - I am still claimed as a dependent by my parents, but they definitely won't include my W-2 on their return since I file my own. However, I'm wondering - does being claimed as a dependent affect how I file my California nonresident return or Arizona resident return at all? Like, are there different standard deduction amounts or filing requirements? I want to make sure I'm not missing anything important there. Also, when you said you got refunds from both states, was that because they over-withheld based on assuming you'd be earning that rate all year long? I'm hoping the same thing happens for me since $12,800 over three months had them withholding at a pretty high rate. Thanks for sharing your experience - it's exactly what I needed to hear!

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Just wondering what software your preparer used? I'm asking because some tax software won't even let you e-file as a paid preparer without entering a valid PTIN. So either they're paper filing (which is unusual these days), using consumer software and pretending they're not a paid preparer, or somehow bypassing verification systems.

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Good catch. This is a huge red flag to me. If they're bypassing systems or misrepresenting themselves to the software, what else are they being dishonest about?

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Oliver Schulz

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This is actually a really important question that @Freya Andersen raised. When I had my returns done, they were definitely e-filed - I got the electronic confirmation and everything. But now that you mention it, I never really paid attention to what software they were using or how the process worked on their end. If the software requires a valid PTIN to e-file as a paid preparer, then either they somehow got around that requirement or they're filing under someone else's PTIN. Both scenarios are pretty concerning and suggest this might be more serious than just forgetting to renew their registration. I'm definitely going to ask them directly about this when I confront them about the PTIN issue. The fact that they've been able to e-file for years without a valid PTIN suggests there might be some deliberate deception going on rather than just an oversight.

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