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Yara Nassar

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Has anyone actually gone through the process of claiming a refund for overwithholding on IRA distributions as a non-resident? My financial institution just automatically withheld 30% despite me providing a W-8BEN, and now they're saying I need to claim it back from the IRS directly.

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Yes, you'll need to file Form 1040NR (U.S. Nonresident Alien Income Tax Return) to claim back any overwithholding. Be sure to attach a copy of your W-8BEN and a statement explaining why the reduced treaty rate should apply. I did this last year and got my refund after about 6 months.

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Yara Nassar

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Thanks for the info! 6 months is a long time but better than nothing I guess. Did you have to provide any additional documentation beyond the W-8BEN and statement?

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Ruby Knight

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Just wanted to share my experience as someone who went through IRA withdrawals as a non-resident alien last year. The key thing I learned is that timing matters a lot - if you contributed to your IRA while you were a US tax resident (which sounds like your case with the H1B), those contributions may be treated differently than if you had contributed as a non-resident. I'd strongly recommend getting professional help for your specific situation. The treaty benefits with India can be significant, but the application process is tricky. My financial institution initially applied the full 30% withholding even though I was entitled to the reduced treaty rate. I had to file Form 1040NR to get the overwithholding back, which took about 8 months. One important tip: make sure to file your W-8BEN with your IRA custodian BEFORE you make any withdrawals. Even if they mess up the withholding initially, having it on file helps establish your treaty claim later. Also, keep detailed records of when you made each contribution and your tax residency status at those times - the IRS may ask for this information. For HSA withdrawals, the rules are even more complex because of the medical expense qualification requirements. You'll want to be very careful about documentation there.

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This is really helpful information, especially about the timing of contributions and tax residency status. I'm curious about the W-8BEN filing process - did you submit it directly to your IRA custodian, or did you have to go through their international department? I'm worried my custodian might not be familiar with the India treaty provisions and could still apply the wrong withholding rate even with the form on file. Also, regarding the HSA medical expense documentation - do you know if expenses incurred while living abroad (but still qualifying medical expenses under US rules) are acceptable? I have some medical bills from my home country that I'm wondering if I can use to justify qualified distributions.

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This discussion has been incredibly valuable for understanding W9 requests in product-based businesses. As someone who's been running a small manufacturing LLC for the past three years, I can confirm that W9 requests from clients are quite common, even for straightforward product sales. What I've found helpful is maintaining a standard operating procedure for these requests: I keep a completed W9 template ready to send, respond within 24 hours of receiving the request, and always include a brief professional note like "Please find the completed W9 form attached for your vendor records." This approach has helped build trust with larger corporate clients who appreciate prompt responses to their administrative requirements. One thing I'd add to this conversation is that providing W9s has actually opened doors for additional business opportunities. Several clients who initially requested W9s for product purchases later contracted us for custom design services, and having our tax information already on file made those transitions seamless. It's worth viewing these requests as relationship-building opportunities rather than administrative burdens.

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Ellie Perry

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This is exactly the kind of practical advice I was hoping to find! Your point about maintaining a standard operating procedure is really smart - having a template ready and responding quickly definitely shows professionalism. I love the idea of including a brief note with the W9, something like "Please find the completed W9 form attached for your vendor records" strikes the perfect tone. Your experience about W9s leading to additional business opportunities is fascinating and something I hadn't considered. It makes total sense that once a company has your information on file, it's easier for them to expand the relationship to include services. That's a great perspective on viewing these requests as relationship-building rather than just administrative tasks. I'm definitely going to implement your 24-hour response standard - that seems like a reasonable timeframe that shows responsiveness without being overly rushed. Thanks for sharing such detailed insights from your three years of experience!

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Philip Cowan

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As a newcomer to this community, I found this entire discussion incredibly helpful! I run a small retail business and just received my first W9 request from a corporate client who purchased inventory from us. I was initially confused because I thought W9s were only for contractors, but reading through everyone's experiences has really clarified things for me. What strikes me most is how this seems to be such standard business practice, yet it's not something you learn about until you actually encounter it. The advice about keeping a pre-filled W9 template ready to go is brilliant - I'm definitely going to set that up today. I also appreciate the perspective from Ryan who handles vendor management, as it really helps understand why companies have these blanket policies. One question I have after reading through everything: for those of you who've been doing this for a while, do you find that certain types of companies (size, industry, etc.) are more likely to request W9s than others? I'm trying to anticipate which of my other clients might make similar requests so I can be proactive about it.

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Zoe Dimitriou

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Welcome to the community! Your question about which types of companies are more likely to request W9s is really insightful. From my experience running a small product-based business, I've noticed a few patterns: Larger corporations (especially publicly traded companies) almost always have blanket W9 policies due to their compliance requirements. Government contractors and heavily regulated industries like healthcare and finance also tend to request W9s frequently, even for product purchases, because they need comprehensive vendor documentation for audit purposes. Mid-sized companies with established procurement departments are also common requesters - they often implement these policies to streamline their accounting processes. Smaller businesses and startups, on the other hand, rarely ask for W9s unless they're specifically required to for their own compliance reasons. Industries that deal with a lot of vendor relationships (manufacturing, retail chains, etc.) also tend to have standardized W9 collection processes. I'd suggest being prepared for requests from any client that seems to have formal procurement or accounting procedures in place!

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Just a quick question - how different is the MICR number from your actual account number? Sometimes part of the MICR includes your account number, so there's a small chance it might work if your actual account number is contained within the MICR sequence.

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Zoe Stavros

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This is actually an important point. The MICR line typically contains three parts: the routing number, account number, and check number, along with special symbols. If you only included the portion that has your account number (without the special symbols), it might still go through. It really depends on exactly what you entered.

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That's a really good point! @NebulaNinja - you should double-check exactly what you entered. If you look at the bottom of one of your checks, the MICR line usually has your routing number first, then your account number, then the check number. They're separated by special symbols that look like this: ⑆ ā‘ˆ ⑆ If you accidentally copied the whole MICR line, your actual account number might be buried in there. Banks sometimes can still process deposits if the account number portion is readable, even with extra characters. It's worth checking your return to see exactly what numbers you put down - you might get lucky!

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Don't beat yourself up too much about this - it's actually a pretty common mistake! I've seen several people in tax prep forums make similar errors with MICR numbers, routing numbers, and account numbers. The good news is that while it's frustrating, it's not going to cause any major problems beyond the delay. One thing to keep in mind is that when the IRS switches to sending a paper check, make sure your mailing address is current with them. If you've moved recently, you might want to file a Form 8822 (Change of Address) to ensure the check gets to you. The last thing you want is for the check to get lost in the mail on top of the direct deposit issue. Also, for future reference, most banks have their routing and account numbers clearly listed in online banking or on deposit slips, which tends to be more reliable than trying to read the MICR line. Live and learn!

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Michael Adams

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Thanks for the reassurance! I actually did move about 6 months ago and completely forgot about updating my address with the IRS. I updated it with my bank and most other places, but totally spaced on the IRS. I'll definitely file that Form 8822 right away - the last thing I need is my refund check getting sent to my old apartment! Really appreciate everyone's advice here. It's frustrating to deal with my own mistake, but at least I know what to expect now and have some concrete steps to take. Going to check that MICR situation @Santiago mentioned too - maybe I'll get lucky and the account number portion will still work!

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Natalie Khan

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This thread has been incredibly enlightening! As another newer preparer, I was making the same assumption that "optional" means "skip it to save time and money." But the collective wisdom here really shows the value of thinking beyond just compliance. What I'm taking away is that tax preparation isn't just about meeting minimum requirements - it's about providing comprehensive service that anticipates future client needs. The point about partnerships losing exemption status as they grow is particularly important. If you're already in the habit of preparing complete returns, you don't have to change your process or explain gaps in historical data later. I'm also struck by how many practical benefits these "optional" schedules provide - from partner education to loan applications to dispute resolution. These are real-world scenarios that go way beyond the technical tax compliance question. One follow-up thought: for those of us building our practices, positioning ourselves as providers of comprehensive financial information (rather than just minimum compliance) seems like a competitive advantage. Clients who understand their business financials better are probably more likely to seek additional advisory services too. Thanks to everyone who shared their experience - this kind of practical insight is exactly what newer practitioners need to hear!

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Omar Fawzi

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This is such a valuable perspective, especially the point about positioning ourselves as comprehensive service providers rather than just compliance checkers. I'm realizing that completing these "optional" schedules is actually a form of client service that demonstrates expertise and forward-thinking. Your comment about anticipating future needs really resonates with me. I've been so focused on minimizing prep time that I wasn't considering the long-term relationship with clients. If a partnership grows beyond the exemption thresholds or needs financing down the road, having complete historical records shows we were thinking ahead. The competitive advantage angle is spot-on too. Clients probably don't realize the difference between minimum compliance and comprehensive reporting until they need that extra information. By that time, it's too late to go back and recreate prior year schedules efficiently. I'm definitely going to start including these schedules regardless of exemption status. The minimal extra time investment seems worth it for the professional credibility and client value it provides. Plus, as others mentioned, most tax software generates this information anyway - we're just choosing not to delete it!

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This discussion has been incredibly valuable! As someone who's been preparing partnership returns for about 8 years, I want to add one more practical consideration that hasn't been mentioned yet. I've found that completing these "optional" schedules also helps during IRS correspondence examinations. Even though the partnership may be exempt from filing them, when the IRS sends information document requests (IDRs) during an exam, they often ask for balance sheet information and book-tax reconciliations regardless of the exemption status. If you've already prepared Schedules L, M-1, and M-2, you can respond to these requests immediately. If you haven't, you're scrambling to recreate this information under examination pressure, which never looks good to the examining agent. I had a client a few years ago where this exact situation arose. The partnership qualified for the Question 4 exemption, but during a routine examination, the IRS requested balance sheet details. Because we had prepared Schedule L voluntarily, we were able to provide comprehensive responses within days rather than weeks. The examining agent actually commented on how well-organized our documentation was. From a risk management perspective, the small additional effort upfront can save significant time and stress if issues arise later. Plus, it demonstrates to clients that we're thinking strategically about their long-term needs, not just current year compliance.

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That's an excellent point about IRS examinations! I hadn't considered how having those schedules prepared upfront could streamline the examination process. Your example really illustrates how what seems like "extra work" during preparation can actually save significant time and stress when it matters most. The point about demonstrating organization to examining agents is particularly valuable. In my limited experience with IRS correspondence, I've noticed that being able to provide complete, well-organized documentation quickly seems to create a more collaborative atmosphere rather than adversarial one. This really reinforces the theme throughout this thread - that good tax preparation is about anticipating future scenarios, not just meeting current requirements. Between potential financing needs, partner disputes, business growth beyond exemption thresholds, and now examination preparedness, there are so many reasons why completing these "optional" schedules makes sense. I'm curious - in your experience, do examining agents typically request this balance sheet information even when they know the partnership qualified for the Schedule B Question 4 exemption? Or do they sometimes seem unaware of the exemption rules themselves?

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Natalie Wang

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Something nobody's mentioned yet - if your sister didn't get an EIN (tax ID) for the trust, that's a bigger issue than the bank account. The trust is considered a separate taxpayer from both your sister and the original trustmakers (your parents). Without an EIN, how is she planning to file the trust tax return? And without a trust tax return, how will she generate legal K-1s? This might be why she's delayed getting you the K-1.

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Noah Torres

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Not necessarily true. If it's a revocable living trust that became irrevocable upon death, it may have been using the SSN of the grantor while they were alive. After death, THEN they need to get an EIN. Many successor trustees don't realize this change is required.

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Molly Hansen

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@f014fc63b237 You're absolutely right about the EIN requirement after death. This is such a commonly missed step! The trust becomes a separate tax entity when the grantor dies, even if it was using their SSN before. @c0c1ffde3828 Harper, you should definitely ask your sister if she obtained an EIN for the trust after your mom passed. If she hasn't, she needs to apply for one using Form SS-4 before she can file the trust return or issue proper K-1s. This could explain the delay you're experiencing. The IRS is pretty strict about this - they won't accept a trust return filed under a deceased person's SSN. Without the proper EIN and trust return, any K-1s she gives you won't be legitimate for tax purposes.

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Yara Assad

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I went through something very similar when my father passed and I was named successor trustee. The stress of not knowing if you're handling everything correctly is overwhelming, especially when you're already grieving. From my experience, your sister's approach creates unnecessary complications and potential liability issues. Even though it's not strictly illegal, mixing trust funds with personal accounts makes proper accounting much more difficult and could cause problems if the IRS ever audits the trust. Here's what I learned the hard way: Always get an EIN for the trust immediately after the grantor's death, open a separate trust checking account, and keep meticulous records of every transaction. When I sold my dad's house, I made sure the proceeds went directly into the trust account, then issued checks from that account to beneficiaries with clear documentation. The good news is that since you're the beneficiary, your main concern is getting that K-1 form so you can properly report your share on your personal return. The burden of proper trust administration falls on your sister as trustee. If she can't provide accurate documentation, that becomes her problem with the IRS, not yours. I'd strongly suggest having a gentle but firm conversation with your sister about getting professional help to clean this up properly. It's worth the cost to avoid potential headaches down the road.

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@83f8e40db21f Thank you for sharing your experience - it's reassuring to hear from someone who went through a similar situation. The stress really is overwhelming when you're trying to do right by everyone while grieving. I think you're right about having that conversation with my sister. She's been defensive when I've brought up concerns, but maybe framing it as "let's get professional help to make sure we're protected" rather than "you did this wrong" might be more productive. One question - when you say the burden falls on the trustee if there are IRS issues, does that mean I'm completely in the clear as long as I report whatever she puts on my K-1? Or could I still face problems if her accounting was sloppy and the IRS questions the distributions later? I'm hoping to avoid any complications since this whole process has already been emotionally draining for our family.

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