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I went through this exact same situation with my mother's estate about two years ago. The IRS kept sending Form 1041-ES vouchers even though we had properly closed the estate in 2020. What worked for me was sending a certified letter to the IRS with copies of the final Form 1041 (clearly marked "Final Return"), the court order closing the estate, and a brief explanation that the estate had been fully distributed and closed. I included the estate's EIN and my contact information as executor. The key thing is to act quickly - don't let these sit around. The IRS automated system will start generating penalty notices if it thinks estimated payments are being missed. It took about 6-8 weeks after I sent the documentation, but I eventually received a letter confirming they had updated their records and would stop sending the vouchers. Keep copies of everything you send and use certified mail with return receipt so you have proof they received it. This is definitely fixable, just needs the right paperwork to get their system updated.
This is really helpful to know the timeline - 6-8 weeks is longer than I was hoping but at least there's a clear resolution. Did you have any trouble getting a copy of the court order closing the estate after all that time? I'm not sure if I still have all those documents readily available from 2019.
This is a really common issue that happens when the IRS's computer systems don't properly sync with the final estate closure. I'm a tax professional and see this regularly - you're definitely not alone in dealing with this frustration. The most important thing is to respond promptly with documentation proving the estate was closed. Here's exactly what I recommend sending via certified mail: 1. A cover letter explaining the estate closed in 2019 2. Copy of the final Form 1041 with "Final Return" clearly marked 3. Any probate court documentation showing estate closure 4. Include the estate's EIN and your current contact info Send this to the address shown on the Form 1041-ES. The automated system will stop generating these vouchers once their records are properly updated, but this usually takes 4-8 weeks to process. Whatever you do, don't ignore these - the system will start assessing penalties for "missed" estimated payments even though the estate doesn't exist anymore. I've seen clients get hit with thousands in automated penalties that take months to resolve. If you need the forms analyzed or help drafting the response letter, there are services that can walk you through this specific situation. But the key is acting quickly before penalties start accruing.
Thank you for this comprehensive advice! As someone new to dealing with estate issues, this is exactly the kind of step-by-step guidance I needed. The timeline of 4-8 weeks helps set proper expectations too. I'm curious - have you seen cases where the IRS required additional documentation beyond what you've listed? I'm wondering if I should gather any other paperwork just in case, or if the final Form 1041 and probate court documents are typically sufficient to resolve these automated system errors.
Has your friend contacted QuickBooks Payroll support directly? I had a similar issue and discovered that QuickBooks actually has a tax resolution team specifically for these situations. Since he's been using QuickBooks Payroll, they should have records of all the calculated taxes even if they weren't paid. Their tax specialists can generate all the necessary documentation showing what's owed for each period, which makes setting up a payment plan with the IRS much easier. In my case, they even helped connect me with the right IRS department and provided guidance on which forms to file. Might be worth a call to them before trying some of the more expensive options.
I've been following this thread and wanted to add one more option that hasn't been mentioned yet - your friend can also make federal payroll tax payments by wire transfer directly to the IRS Treasury account. This completely bypasses EFTPS and the PIN requirement. He'll need to contact his bank's wire department and provide them with the IRS Treasury routing number (which varies by region) and account number, along with his EIN and tax period information. Most banks can process same-day wire transfers for tax payments, though there's usually a fee ($15-30). This is actually the fastest way to get payments posted to his account while dealing with the PIN situation. The IRS processes wire transfers within 1-2 business days, and it immediately stops additional penalties from accruing on the paid amounts. For the $45K total, I'd also strongly recommend he request penalty abatement under "reasonable cause" provisions. The fact that he's been actively trying to resolve this since January and the IRS hasn't processed his address change or PIN request should qualify. Form 843 is what he needs, and he should include documentation of all his attempts to contact the IRS and resolve the issue. Given the amount involved, the multi-pronged approach several people mentioned makes sense - wire transfer for immediate payments, Taxpayer Advocate Service for the systemic issues, and penalty abatement for the accumulated charges.
This is exactly what I was looking for! The wire transfer option sounds like it could be the immediate solution my friend needs. Do you happen to know if there's a specific department at the bank I should have him ask for, or should he just call the main business banking line and ask about wire transfers for tax payments? Also, regarding Form 843 for penalty abatement - should he wait until after he's made some payments, or can he submit that form while the balance is still outstanding? I'm wondering about the timing since he's eager to get the penalties reduced as soon as possible. Thanks for such a comprehensive response - this gives us a clear action plan to move forward with!
I work with a lot of clients who hold commodity ETFs, and there's a shortcut for handling these tiny expense transactions in tax software. In TurboTax: 1. Enter the info exactly as shown on your 1099-B 2. When asked for cost basis, enter the same amount as the proceeds ($0.28 in your case) 3. For "Sales expenses not included in proceeds" enter $0 4. For acquisition date, use your original purchase date This creates a $0 gain/loss transaction, which is the most accurate way to report these. Some tax experts argue you could technically calculate a tiny gain/loss based on your average cost basis, but the amount is so negligible it's not worth the effort.
So basically we should report it as a wash sale? And we need to do this every single year we hold SLV?
No, it's not technically a wash sale in tax terms. A wash sale specifically refers to when you sell a security at a loss and buy a substantially identical security within 30 days before or after the sale. What we're creating here is simply a $0 gain/loss transaction (proceeds minus cost basis equals zero). And yes, you'll need to report these tiny transactions every year you hold SLV, as the fund continuously sells small amounts of silver to cover its management expenses. It's one of the quirks of holding physically-backed commodity ETFs structured as trusts rather than as traditional funds.
Just to add another perspective on this - I've been dealing with SLV for several years now and the headache factor really depends on your tax software and how many other investments you have. If you're using basic tax software and SLV is your only "complicated" investment, it's manageable once you understand the pattern. But if you have multiple commodity ETFs, REITs with complex distributions, and other special situations, these micro-transactions can really add up to a lot of manual entry work. One thing I learned the hard way: keep good records of your original SLV purchase dates and amounts. When you have multiple purchases over time and these tiny expense allocations happening annually, it can get confusing to track which shares correspond to which original purchase for the acquisition date reporting. I now keep a simple spreadsheet just for tracking this. The silver lining (pun intended) is that once you've done it a few times, you'll be able to handle these transactions quickly each year. Just remember that the IRS gets copies of these 1099-B forms, so you definitely need to report them even though the amounts are tiny.
This is really helpful advice about keeping detailed records! I'm just starting out with investing and only have a small position in SLV, but I can already see how this could get complicated if I add more commodity ETFs to my portfolio. Quick question - when you mention keeping track of "which shares correspond to which original purchase," are you referring to specific identification of tax lots? Or is it simpler than that? I bought my SLV shares all at once, so I'm wondering if I need to worry about this complexity yet or if it only becomes an issue when you have multiple purchase dates. Also, do you know if these expense allocations are always done on December 31st, or can they happen at other times during the year?
Dont forget about getting on a payment plan if you end up having to pay! The IRS fresh start program lets you set up monthly payments and sometimes they'll even reduce penalties. My brother owed like $7k and got on a plan for like $120/month. Just make sure to respond to the notice within the timeframe they give you or it gets worse.
The Fresh Start program can be helpful, but it typically doesn't reduce the actual tax owed - just penalties in some cases. In a situation like this where the fundamental question is whether the income should be subject to self-employment tax at all, it makes sense to challenge the assessment first before setting up a payment plan.
I had a very similar situation in 2021 with an acquisition payout that got me a 1099-NEC. What really helped my case was getting a letter from the acquiring company's HR department that explicitly stated the payment was a "transaction bonus" related to the sale, not compensation for services I provided to them directly. The IRS initially wanted about $3,800 in self-employment tax from me, but after I submitted documentation showing: 1) The payment was outlined in my original employment contract as a potential acquisition bonus 2) I never performed any work directly for the acquiring company 3) The payment was made weeks after the sale closed and my employment ended 4) It was a one-time event tied to the transaction, not ongoing compensation They reversed their position and reclassified it as "other income" not subject to SE tax. The key was having clear documentation that separated this payment from regular compensation. Your "stakeholder bonus" language sounds promising - definitely get a copy of your employment agreement and any communications about how this payment was structured. Also, if you can get something in writing from either company clarifying the nature of the payment, that would be gold for your case. Don't just pay without fighting this - acquisition bonuses are frequently misclassified on 1099 forms because payroll departments aren't always sure how to handle them.
This is incredibly helpful - thank you for sharing your experience! Your situation sounds almost identical to mine. I do have my original employment contract that mentions the stakeholder bonus, and like you said, the timing is key since my payment also came after the sale closed. Did you have to hire a tax professional to help with the documentation and response, or were you able to handle it yourself? I'm trying to figure out if I should invest in professional help upfront or try to gather the documentation first and see how strong my case looks. Also, how long did the whole process take from when you submitted your response to when they reversed their position? I'm worried about penalties and interest accumulating while this gets sorted out.
Esmeralda Gรณmez
stuck on hold rn actually...going on 47 minutes ๐ญ
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Klaus Schmidt
โขRIP to your afternoon fam
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Esmeralda Gรณmez
โขupdate: they hung up on me after an hour ๐คฎ
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Ella Thompson
Been through this process multiple times. They'll definitely ask for your SSN, full name, date of birth, and current address. Have your Social Security card and driver's license handy. They also usually want to verify info from your most recent tax return - like your filing status, adjusted gross income, and refund amount if you got one. Sometimes they'll ask about prior year returns too. Don't stress if you don't have everything perfect, they can usually work with you to verify your identity through other questions.
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Ravi Sharma
โขThis is super helpful! Quick question - do they ever ask about your bank account info for direct deposit verification, or is it mostly just tax return stuff?
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