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Philip Cowan

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I went through something very similar after Hurricane Ian damaged my roof. A few things that might help based on my experience: First, you absolutely need to document everything now if you haven't already. Take photos of any remaining damage, keep ALL receipts from the roofing company, and try to get written estimates from contractors (even if you've already done the repairs). The IRS will want to see proof that the damage was specifically from the federally declared disaster. For the fair market value calculation, using your repair costs as a baseline is reasonable, but consider getting at least one professional estimate of what your home's value decrease was. Some insurance adjusters will do this for a fee even if you're not filing a claim, and it gives you more credible documentation. One thing that caught me off guard - make sure you're claiming this in the right tax year. Since it was a federally declared disaster, you can choose to claim it on last year's return (by amending) or this year's return. If your income was lower last year, that might give you a better deduction after the 10% AGI reduction. Also, don't forget about related expenses like temporary repairs, tarps, or cleanup costs - these can sometimes be included in your casualty loss calculation too.

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Omar Fawzi

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This is really helpful advice! I'm curious about the temporary repairs you mentioned - I did buy some tarps and plywood to cover the damaged areas while waiting for the roofing contractor to start work. I spent maybe $200-300 on those materials. Can those really be included in the casualty loss calculation? And what about the cost of a hotel for the few nights when the leaking was so bad we couldn't stay in the house? Also, you mentioned getting a professional estimate of the home's value decrease - roughly how much does something like that cost? I'm trying to figure out if it's worth it given that I already have the repair receipts totaling $27k.

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Dylan Evans

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Yes, those temporary repair materials like tarps and plywood can absolutely be included! The IRS allows "reasonable expenses" to prevent further damage after a casualty loss. Your $200-300 in materials definitely qualifies. Hotel costs can also be included if your home was uninhabitable due to the damage, but there are usually limits on how long and how much per day is considered reasonable. For the professional property value assessment, I paid around $400-500 for a "diminished value" appraisal from a certified real estate appraiser. It might seem like a lot, but it gave me solid documentation that supported my $25k loss claim. Since you already have $27k in repair costs, it might not be necessary unless you want extra protection in case of an audit. The repair receipts are usually sufficient evidence, especially if you have before/after photos of the damage. One tip - make sure to document that your temporary repairs were specifically due to the hurricane damage and not general maintenance. Keep those receipts separate and note the dates relative to when the hurricane hit your area.

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Based on your situation, here are a few key points that might help with your Form 4684: Since you mentioned you've never filed a tax return before, you'll want to be extra careful with documentation. The IRS tends to scrutinize first-time filers more closely, especially for significant deductions like casualty losses. For the fair market value calculation, your $27k repair cost is actually a solid starting point. The IRS Publication 547 specifically mentions that repair costs can be used as evidence of decreased fair market value, as long as the repairs only restore the property to its pre-damage condition (which sounds like your case with the roof). One important thing others haven't mentioned - make sure you get a copy of the official FEMA disaster declaration for your area. You'll need the disaster declaration number for your Form 4684, and having this documentation helps establish that your loss qualifies for the special disaster provisions. Also, since your income is $110k, definitely run the numbers on claiming this loss on your 2023 return (amended) versus your 2024 return. If your 2023 income was lower, the 10% AGI threshold would be smaller, potentially giving you a larger deduction. Don't forget to keep detailed records of everything - the IRS has up to 3 years to audit casualty loss claims, and disaster-related deductions sometimes get extra scrutiny.

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Ethan Moore

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This is really comprehensive advice! The point about getting the FEMA disaster declaration number is something I hadn't thought about - where exactly do you find that? Is it on the FEMA website or do I need to contact them directly? Also, you mentioned that first-time filers get more scrutiny for casualty losses. Should I consider getting professional help with this return given the complexity and the fact that I've never filed before? I'm worried about making a mistake that could trigger an audit, especially with such a large deduction compared to my income. One more question - when you say the IRS has 3 years to audit casualty loss claims, does that timeline start from when I file the return or from the tax year the loss occurred?

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Real Estate Professional Status with Short-Term Rentals: Understanding the Tax Interplay

We have 4 rental properties that my wife exclusively manages. She invests about 250 hours into each property annually (total 1000 hours) and this is her only professional activity. For the past few years, they've all been long-term rentals, so we've been qualifying for real estate professional status since she easily exceeds the 750-hour threshold. We made the grouping election to meet material participation requirements, and everything has been working smoothly. We did a cost segregation study last year and have been able to deduct significant depreciation as active losses against our other income. But here's where I'm confused... We've converted two of our properties to vacation rentals this year, and the average stay is around 6 days. From what I understand, these short-term rentals don't count toward the 750-hour real estate professional requirement anymore, right? So does this mean our two remaining long-term rentals are now considered passive activities? For the two short-term properties - do those move to Schedule C instead? If my wife puts in more time than anyone else managing these properties, can we treat the Schedule C activities as active? What if we hire an employee who ends up working more hours than her - could we still group the two Schedule Cs to meet the 500-hour threshold? This seems like it could vary year-to-year based on hours worked. Can we toggle back and forth or remake elections annually? Also, has anyone found good time-tracking software that actually works well for documenting all these hours? We're getting lost in spreadsheets!

Lena Schultz

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This is such a complex area that catches many real estate investors off guard! I went through something similar when we converted one of our long-term rentals to short-term last year. One thing I learned the hard way is that you need to be really strategic about timing these conversions. If you're close to the end of the tax year and your wife is borderline on the 750-hour requirement for just the long-term rentals, you might want to delay the conversion until January to preserve your real estate professional status for the current year. Also, don't forget about the recordkeeping requirements for substantiating material participation. The IRS expects contemporaneous records, not reconstructed logs. I'd recommend setting up a system now before you get too deep into the year. One more consideration - if you're planning to do more cost segregation studies on the remaining long-term rentals, maintaining real estate professional status becomes even more valuable since those accelerated depreciation deductions can offset other income. Losing that status could significantly impact your tax savings. Have you run the numbers on the total tax impact of potentially losing real estate professional status versus the additional income from short-term rentals? Sometimes the math doesn't work out as favorably as expected once you factor in the passive loss limitations.

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This is really helpful perspective! The timing consideration is something I hadn't fully thought through. We're actually planning to convert in Q2, so we should have enough runway to assess where we stand on hours by Q3 and make adjustments if needed. You're absolutely right about running the numbers holistically. We did a quick calculation and the potential loss of real estate professional status could cost us around $15K in additional taxes due to passive loss limitations, especially with our cost seg depreciation. The extra income from short-term rentals needs to more than offset that hit to make financial sense. The contemporaneous recordkeeping point is crucial - we've been a bit sloppy with documentation in the past since we were comfortably above the thresholds. Time to get more disciplined about that! Do you have any specific recommendations for what level of detail the IRS expects in these logs?

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Caleb Stark

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Great question about the documentation detail! From my experience dealing with an IRS audit on real estate professional status, they want to see very specific logs that include: 1. Date and time of each activity 2. Property address or identifier 3. Specific activity performed (not just "property management") 4. Duration in hours/minutes 5. Any third parties involved (contractors, tenants, etc.) For example, instead of "Property maintenance - 3 hours," document: "Property A - Met with HVAC contractor for furnace inspection, obtained 2 repair quotes, scheduled follow-up appointment - 3.5 hours" The IRS agent specifically told me they look for activities that demonstrate you're actually running a business versus just collecting rent checks. Marketing activities, financial analysis, vendor management, and hands-on property improvements carry the most weight. One tip that saved me: take photos of yourself doing the work when possible. I had pictures of myself painting, meeting with contractors, etc. The IRS agent said visual documentation really strengthens your case since it's hard to fabricate after the fact. Also keep all related emails, texts, and receipts with timestamps. If you're coordinating a repair via text at 9 PM on a Sunday, that's strong evidence of active management that goes beyond normal business hours. The $15K tax hit you calculated sounds about right - passive loss limitations can be brutal when you have significant depreciation from cost seg studies.

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AstroAce

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This is incredibly detailed advice - thank you! The photo documentation tip is brilliant and something I never would have thought of. I'm definitely going to start taking pictures when I'm on-site doing work or meeting with contractors. The level of detail you're describing makes me realize our current tracking system is nowhere near audit-ready. We've been way too general with our entries. Time to step up our game before we potentially face scrutiny. Quick question - for activities like researching comparable rental rates online or updating property listings, how do you document those since there's no physical presence at the property? Do screenshots of your research or listing updates help substantiate those hours?

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Sofia Torres

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Based on all the helpful information shared here, I wanted to add a few practical tips for anyone else dealing with multiple K-1s and box 13 codes: 1. **Create a spreadsheet** to track all your K-1s and their box 13 items by code. This helps you see the big picture, especially for Form 8990 calculations where you need to aggregate business interest from all sources. 2. **Request partnership statements early** if they're missing. Don't wait until you're preparing your return - reach out to the partnerships in January/February to get clarification on any box 13 codes, especially code L items that might have exceptions. 3. **Keep good records** of any suspended deductions. Even though code L items are generally not deductible now, if TCJA provisions expire in 2026, you'll want documentation of what was suspended in prior years. 4. **Consider the timing** of your filing if you have partnerships that historically issue corrected K-1s. Sometimes it's worth waiting an extra week or two rather than dealing with amended returns later. The tools mentioned in this thread (taxr.ai for analysis, Claimyr for IRS contact) seem helpful based on others' experiences, but always verify any guidance with official IRS publications or a qualified tax professional when dealing with complex partnership taxation issues.

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Oliver Brown

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This is such a comprehensive and practical summary - thank you! I especially appreciate the tip about creating a spreadsheet to track everything. I'm dealing with my first year of multiple K-1s and was feeling overwhelmed trying to keep all the different codes and amounts straight. One question about your point #3 regarding keeping records of suspended deductions: Should I be documenting these on a specific form or just maintaining my own records? I want to make sure I'm prepared if the TCJA provisions do expire in 2026 and these deductions become available again. Also, for anyone else reading this thread, I wanted to mention that my partnership actually included a supplemental statement that broke down exactly what expenses made up each box 13 code. It was attached as a separate PDF with my K-1 documents. Definitely worth checking all the documents you received, not just the main K-1 form itself!

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Kaylee Cook

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@a6557b2470b8 Great question about record-keeping for suspended deductions! There's no specific IRS form for tracking suspended miscellaneous itemized deductions from partnerships, so maintaining your own detailed records is the way to go. I'd recommend creating a simple tracking document that includes: - Tax year the deduction was suspended - Partnership name and EIN - K-1 box 13 code (usually L) - Amount suspended - Description of the underlying expense (from partnership statements) This documentation will be invaluable if TCJA provisions expire and these deductions become available again in 2026. You'll want to be able to demonstrate to the IRS (or your tax preparer) exactly what amounts were suspended in which years. Also, excellent point about checking all the partnership documents! Those supplemental statements are often the key to understanding whether any portion of code L amounts might qualify for current deductions under the narrow exceptions that still exist. I've seen too many people miss out on legitimate deductions simply because they didn't realize the partnership had provided the necessary detail in a separate attachment.

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This thread has been incredibly helpful - thank you everyone for sharing your experiences! I'm dealing with my first year of K-1 forms and was completely lost on the box 13 codes. After reading through all the responses, I have a much clearer understanding now. It sounds like code AE definitely requires Form 8990 for the business interest limitation calculation, and code L items are mostly suspended under TCJA (though worth checking partnership statements for any exceptions). I'm curious - for those who have used Form 8990 before, how complicated is it to complete? I'm trying to decide if I should attempt it myself or just bite the bullet and hire a tax professional. My code AE amount is around $8,000 from one partnership, and I don't have any other business interest income or expenses to complicate things. Also, has anyone found good IRS resources that explain the Section 163(j) business interest limitation in plain English? The official instructions are pretty dense and I'd love to understand the mechanics better before diving into the form.

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Anyone know if leasing is better than buying for tax purposes? I've heard conflicting things.

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I've done both and it really depends on your specific situation. When you lease, you can deduct the actual lease payments as a business expense based on your business use percentage. You don't get Section 179 or depreciation because you don't own the vehicle. When you buy, you get bigger deductions upfront with Section 179 or bonus depreciation, but smaller deductions in later years. Generally, buying is better if you plan to keep the vehicle for a long time and use it mostly for business. Leasing can be better if you want a new vehicle every few years or if your business income isn't high enough to fully utilize Section 179.

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Emma Davis

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One thing I don't see mentioned here is the importance of proper business purpose documentation. I made the mistake of thinking a basic mileage log was enough, but during an audit the IRS wanted to see detailed records of WHY each trip was business-related, not just where I went. For Section 179 vehicle deductions, you need to be extra careful about proving legitimate business use. I started keeping a simple voice memo app on my phone to record the business purpose of each trip right when it happens - "visiting client Johnson to review quarterly reports" or "picking up supplies for the Peterson project." Takes 5 seconds but creates a contemporaneous record that's much more defensible than trying to recreate it later. Also, don't forget that if you're using the vehicle for both business and personal use, you need to track EVERYTHING - not just the business trips. The IRS will want to see your total mileage to verify your business use percentage is accurate.

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Eli Butler

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This is such great advice about the voice memos! I've been using a basic mileage tracking app but never thought about documenting the actual business purpose in real time. I can definitely see how "drove to downtown" wouldn't hold up well compared to "met with potential client Sarah Chen to discuss website redesign project." Quick question - do you think it matters if you use a voice memo app vs just typing notes? I'm wondering if the IRS has any preference for one type of contemporaneous record over another, or if they just care that it was documented at the time of the trip rather than reconstructed later.

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This is a great question that many multi-member LLCs face! You absolutely can structure disproportionate distributions, but there are a few key things to get right. For your health insurance situation, you'll want to be careful about how you handle this tax-wise. If the LLC pays for health insurance premiums for some partners but not others, those premiums are typically treated as guaranteed payments to the covered partners (making them taxable income to those individuals). The cleaner approach might be to reimburse partners for their premiums through adjusted distributions as you mentioned. For Partner 3 redirecting funds to Partner 4, the simplest approach is usually to have the LLC make its regular distributions according to ownership percentages, then Partner 3 can gift their desired amount to Partner 4 afterward. This keeps the tax reporting straightforward. Make sure your operating agreement includes language like "distributions may be made in amounts and at times determined by majority/unanimous vote of members, regardless of ownership percentages" or similar wording that fits your decision-making structure. Most importantly, document everything! Keep written records of all member approvals for non-proportional distributions. This protects you if there are ever questions from the IRS or between partners down the road.

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Isaac Wright

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This is really helpful advice! I'm new to LLCs and had no idea about the guaranteed payments aspect for health insurance. When you say "guaranteed payments," does that mean the LLC would issue a 1099 to the partner receiving health insurance benefits? And would this be reported differently than regular distributions on their personal tax return? Also, for the documentation piece - is there a specific format these written approvals should follow, or is it enough to just have email confirmations from all partners agreeing to the distribution amounts?

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Great questions! Yes, guaranteed payments would typically require the LLC to issue a 1099-NEC to the partner receiving health insurance benefits, and they'd report this as self-employment income on their personal return (different from regular K-1 distributions). For documentation, while email confirmations can work, formal written consents or meeting minutes are much stronger legally. I'd recommend creating a simple template like "Member Consent for Non-Proportional Distribution" that includes the date, distribution amounts for each member, reason for the deviation, and signatures from all partners. Keep these in your LLC records along with your other corporate documents. You might also want to include language in these consents stating that all members acknowledge this is a one-time adjustment and doesn't change their underlying ownership percentages. This helps prevent any confusion later about whether the distribution pattern affects actual ownership interests.

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Mateo Lopez

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Just want to add another perspective on the health insurance piece - we handled this by having our LLC reimburse partners for their actual health insurance costs rather than paying the premiums directly. This way it shows up as a business expense for the LLC and reduces the taxable income allocated to all partners proportionally, rather than creating guaranteed payment income for just the insured partners. At year-end, we adjust distributions to account for these reimbursements so everyone ends up with their intended net amounts. Partners who got health insurance reimbursements receive smaller cash distributions, while others get larger ones. This approach has worked well for us and keeps the tax treatment simpler since there are no 1099s to deal with. Your operating agreement should definitely include flexible distribution language as others mentioned. We use wording that allows distributions "in such amounts and proportions as determined by unanimous consent of the members, which may differ from membership percentage interests." Having this flexibility built in from the start saves you from needing amendments later.

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Jenna Sloan

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This reimbursement approach sounds really smart! I'm curious though - when you reimburse partners for health insurance costs, are you treating those as medical expense reimbursements under an accountable plan, or just as regular business expense reimbursements? I've heard there can be different tax implications depending on how it's structured. Also, do you require partners to submit actual insurance bills/receipts, or do you just go with their stated premium amounts? Want to make sure we set up the right documentation requirements from the start.

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