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Amara Okonkwo

What is Traditional IRA Basis? Understanding Non-Deductible Contributions and Form 8606

So I'm super confused about this Traditional IRA basis thing showing up on my taxes. In 2022, I initially put $6,000 into my Roth IRA but then had to recharacterize it to a Traditional IRA because I realized I was over the income limit. While it was in the Roth, the investments dropped in value to about $5,200. Then I converted that $5,200 back to my Roth IRA. Now when I'm doing my 2022 taxes, my tax software is showing I have a "Traditional IRA basis" of $800 on Form 8606 line 14. It's like I'm getting some kind of $800 credit? Fast forward to 2023, I rolled over a $500 Rollover IRA (pre-tax money) to my Roth, and somehow this "basis" is offsetting taxes I would normally pay on that $500 conversion. I don't get what this basis actually is. It seems weird that I'm getting credit for my investments losing value. Can someone please explain what's happening here with this $800 basis on Form 8606 and why it's affecting my taxes this way?

The Traditional IRA basis is actually working correctly in your situation! Here's what happened in simple terms: When you contributed $6,000 to your Roth IRA and then recharacterized it to a Traditional IRA, the IRS treats it as if you originally contributed $6,000 to the Traditional IRA. The fact that the value dropped to $5,200 while in the Roth doesn't change your contribution amount for tax purposes. When you then converted the $5,200 from Traditional back to Roth, you only converted $5,200 of your $6,000 basis. The $800 difference ($6,000 - $5,200) remains as your basis in the Traditional IRA. This basis represents after-tax money that you're entitled to withdraw tax-free in the future. For your 2023 transaction, that $500 rollover would normally be taxable when converted to a Roth, but since you have an $800 basis (already-taxed money), the first $500 of that basis can offset the taxable amount of your conversion. You'll still have $300 of basis left after that.

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Amara Okonkwo

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Wait, so the $800 basis is basically money I already paid taxes on? So when I do Roth conversions later, I get to convert that much money tax-free? Also, will I need to keep track of this $300 remaining basis for future tax years? Does it expire or something if I don't use it?

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Yes, the $800 basis is exactly that - money you already paid taxes on (or more precisely, money that represents your original after-tax contribution). When you do Roth conversions, you can convert up to that amount tax-free. You will need to keep track of the remaining basis year to year. It doesn't expire - it will carry forward indefinitely until you use it up through future conversions or distributions. The IRS keeps track of this through Form 8606, which you should file any year you have non-deductible contributions, distributions, or conversions. Make sure to save copies of your Form 8606 from each year to maintain your records of this basis.

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Dylan Hughes

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That sounds interesting! Did it actually explain the tax rules or just verify your numbers? I've got a similar situation with both traditional and Roth accounts and multiple rollovers. Can it handle complicated scenarios with multiple accounts?

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NightOwl42

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It actually explained the rules and showed me specifically what was happening with my basis calculations. It breaks down Form 8606 line by line and explains why each number is what it is, which my regular tax software didn't do. For complicated scenarios with multiple accounts, that's exactly where it shined for me. It tracked my basis across years and different accounts, showing me exactly how much of my Traditional IRA money was pre-tax vs after-tax. Most regular tax software just asks for numbers but doesn't help you understand the "why" behind IRA basis tracking.

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NightOwl42

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NightOwl42

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Ava Thompson

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One thing to remember about Form 8606 and Traditional IRA basis - you MUST file Form 8606 every year you make non-deductible contributions or do conversions, even if you don't owe any taxes on them. If you skip filing it, you could lose track of your basis and end up paying taxes twice on the same money!

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Is that true even if you use tax software? I thought TurboTax and others automatically generate Form 8606 when needed? I've never manually filled one out...now I'm worried I've been doing it wrong.

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Ava Thompson

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Yes, it's true even with tax software. Most tax software will generate Form 8606 if you correctly enter that you made non-deductible contributions or did conversions. However, if you don't tell the software about these transactions, it won't know to create the form. Many people miss this when they have a year where they don't owe taxes and think they don't need to file, or if they switch tax preparation methods from year to year. Double-check your past returns to make sure Form 8606 is included for any year you made non-deductible contributions or conversions. If you're missing any, you can file Form 8606 separately to establish or maintain your basis.

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Zainab Ali

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Just a quick tip - the Traditional IRA basis amount carries forward every year on Form 8606. Line 14 from one year becomes the starting point (Line 2) for the next year's form. Always keep copies of your previous 8606 forms or you'll have a nightmare trying to reconstruct your basis if the IRS ever questions it!

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Connor Murphy

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This is so important! I lost track of my basis for several years and had to go back through 5 years of tax returns to piece it all together. The IRS doesn't make it easy to retrieve old forms either.

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GalacticGuru

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This is a great explanation of a really confusing topic! I had a similar recharacterization situation a few years ago and was totally lost until my CPA walked me through it. One thing I'd add for anyone reading this - make sure you understand the pro-rata rule if you have other Traditional IRAs with pre-tax money. The IRS doesn't let you pick and choose which dollars you convert first. If you have $10,000 in Traditional IRAs and $1,000 of that is basis, then any conversion will be 10% tax-free and 90% taxable, regardless of which account the money comes from. Also, keep detailed records of ALL your IRA transactions. I learned the hard way that even small discrepancies in your basis calculations can cause headaches years later when you're trying to figure out what happened.

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Lindsey Fry

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This is such a helpful addition about the pro-rata rule! I'm actually dealing with something similar right now. I have about $15,000 in a rollover IRA from an old 401k (all pre-tax) and was thinking about doing a backdoor Roth conversion with new non-deductible contributions. From what you're saying, it sounds like I can't just convert the new after-tax money without also converting some of the pre-tax rollover money proportionally? That would definitely complicate my tax situation. Is there any way around this, like keeping the accounts completely separate or doing the conversion in a specific order? I wish they made these IRA rules more straightforward - seems like every strategy has some gotcha that isn't obvious until you're knee-deep in the tax implications!

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