How to handle basis calculation for Backdoor Roth IRA conversion with losses in Traditional IRA?
I'm a bit confused about calculating the basis for my spouse's backdoor Roth IRA for our 2022 taxes. She contributed $6,000 to a Traditional IRA last year, but the investments lost some value before she converted it to a Roth IRA. By the time she did the conversion, it was only worth $5,900. The conversion cleaned out the Traditional IRA completely (zero balance afterward), but I just noticed that the tax software we used put $100 on line 14 of Form 8606. From what I understand, line 14 represents the remaining basis in Traditional IRAs. I'm confused because there's nothing left in the Traditional IRA, so why would there be a remaining basis? Did the software make an error, or am I missing something about how the basis works when there's a loss before conversion? This seems like it could affect future backdoor Roth contributions, so I want to make sure I understand it correctly. Does anyone have experience with this situation? How should the basis be handled when you lose money in the Traditional IRA before converting to a Roth?
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Eleanor Foster
This is actually a quirk in how the tax code handles losses in IRAs before conversion. What happened is that your spouse contributed $6,000 (which is their "basis" - the after-tax money put into the Traditional IRA), but only $5,900 was actually converted to the Roth IRA due to investment losses. The tax software is correct. The $100 difference between what was contributed ($6,000) and what was converted ($5,900) remains as basis even though the account is empty. The IRS doesn't let you claim the loss inside the IRA as a deduction directly, but they do track it as remaining basis. This actually matters for the "pro-rata rule" if your spouse ever has pre-tax money in any Traditional IRA in the future. That $100 of basis would be factored into calculations for any future conversions. If your spouse continues doing backdoor Roth contributions in future years, they'll need to keep track of this basis and report it on future Form 8606s, even though the Traditional IRA has a zero balance right now.
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Lucas Turner
•Wait, so if they make another backdoor Roth contribution next year, do they add the new contribution amount to the $100 basis from 2022? Like if they put in another $6,000 in 2023, would the basis be $6,100 before conversion? And would that affect how it's taxed?
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Eleanor Foster
•Yes, that's exactly right. If they make another backdoor Roth contribution next year, the $100 basis from 2022 would be added to the new contribution amount. So if they contribute $6,000 in 2023, their total basis before conversion would be $6,100. This wouldn't affect the taxation in a meaningful way for a straightforward backdoor Roth, assuming there are no other traditional IRA assets with pre-tax money. The conversion would still be non-taxable because it's all after-tax money (basis). The Form 8606 would just track that cumulative basis correctly.
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Kai Rivera
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Lara Woods
I think everyone's missing a simpler solution. Since the $100 is such a small amount, couldn't you just ignore it and start fresh next time you do a backdoor Roth? I mean, it's only $100 of basis, and the tax impact would be minimal if you just didn't carry it forward. That's what I did in a similar situation a few years ago and I haven't had any issues.
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Adrian Hughes
•No, that's not a good idea. The IRS computers automatically track your 8606 history, and discrepancies can trigger notices or audits. A friend of mine tried to "start fresh" instead of carrying forward their basis and got a CP2000 notice. Had to file an amended return and pay interest. The IRS is surprisingly efficient at tracking these specific forms.
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Lara Woods
•I appreciate the heads up about this! I hadn't realized the IRS specifically tracks the 8606 history so closely. I guess I've just been lucky so far not to get flagged. Sounds like I should probably go back and amend my returns to properly carry forward that basis. Better to fix it myself than wait for them to find it and potentially pay penalties and interest.
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Molly Chambers
Has anyone considered that this might actually be a reporting error? I've been doing backdoor Roth conversions for years, and I think there's confusion about how to report a loss on Form 8606. Line 14 should only have a value if you have remaining basis in IRAs that still have funds in them. Since the account was completely emptied, I think the software might be calculating this incorrectly. When I had a similar situation with a loss before conversion, my accountant reported the full contribution amount ($6000) on line 4, then reported the actual converted amount ($5900) on line 8, and ended up with $0 on line 14.
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Eleanor Foster
•That's actually incorrect. The Form 8606 instructions specifically address this situation. When you convert less than your basis (whether due to investment losses or partial conversion), the difference remains as basis to be tracked on future Form 8606s. Line 14 is literally defined as "your basis in traditional IRAs" - not just for accounts with money still in them. The basis exists separate from the account balance. This is why Form 8606 needs to be filed even in years you don't make new contributions but still have basis. Your accountant may have made an error in your situation. I'd recommend checking your prior returns.
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