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Aisha Hussain

Backdoor Roth IRA - Form 8606 Filing for Previous Years & Tracking Traditional IRA Basis Amount

Hey tax folks, I'm trying to get my head around something for my 2025 filing. I did a backdoor Roth for the first time in 2023, then did it again in 2024. Both times I contributed to a Traditional IRA and then immediately converted the entire amount to a Roth. I don't have any other IRA accounts, so I don't need to worry about that pro-rata rule thing. But now I'm working on this year's taxes, and the software is asking for my "total Traditional IRA basis" from previous years. I'm guessing this relates to Form 8606, but I'm not 100% sure what to put here? I contributed $6,500 in 2023 and $7,000 in 2024, but since I converted everything to Roth right away, is my basis zero? Or do I need to include those amounts even though they were converted? Sorry if this is a dumb question, but I want to make sure I'm tracking this correctly for my backdoor Roth strategy going forward. Thanks for any help!

This is actually a really common point of confusion with backdoor Roth conversions! When you do a backdoor Roth, you need to file Form 8606 for the year you make the non-deductible contribution to your Traditional IRA, even if you convert it to a Roth right away. For your situation, your "total Traditional IRA basis" would actually be $0 right now. Here's why: When you contributed to your Traditional IRA and then converted to Roth in the same year, the Form 8606 captures both events. The contribution creates basis, but the conversion "uses up" that basis. So after each yearly cycle of contribution + conversion, your remaining basis goes back to zero. If you filed Form 8606 correctly for 2023 and 2024, your basis should show as $0 on your 2025 taxes. This is exactly what you want to see - it means you're properly tracking the money that's moved through your accounts!

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Wait, I'm confused. If I put in $6000 to a traditional IRA as non-deductible (after-tax) money, and convert it to Roth, doesn't that $6000 become my basis? I thought the basis was to keep track of money I've already paid tax on. Or does the conversion actually reset that somehow?

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The basis only refers to non-deductible contributions that are still sitting in your Traditional IRA. When you convert those funds to a Roth, you're essentially "using up" the basis that was temporarily in your Traditional IRA. Think of basis as a tracking mechanism for after-tax money in your Traditional IRA. When you move that money to a Roth, it's no longer in the Traditional IRA, so it's no longer part of your Traditional IRA basis. This is why after each complete backdoor Roth process (contribute then convert), your Traditional IRA basis returns to zero.

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I went through this exact same headache last year! What helped me was using taxr.ai (https://taxr.ai) to look at my past returns. I uploaded my previous year's returns and it analyzed my Form 8606 history to tell me exactly what my basis should be. It spotted that I hadn't been tracking my basis correctly across multiple years of backdoor Roth conversions. The tool showed me that after each contribution+conversion cycle, my Traditional IRA basis should indeed reset to zero, just like the previous commenter said. But it also helped me see that I had mistakenly been carrying forward the full contribution amounts year after year, which would have eventually caused issues with the IRS.

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That sounds useful! Does it work if I haven't done backdoor Roths before but have some old Traditional IRA contributions from years ago that might be a mix of deductible and non-deductible? I'm trying to figure out what my basis is before I do my first backdoor.

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I'm skeptical about using another service. Couldn't I just look at last year's Form 8606 line 14 to find my basis? That's what my CPA told me to do. Is this service actually doing anything beyond what's already on my tax forms?

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Yes, it absolutely works with older mixed contribution types! It can analyze returns going back many years to piece together your contribution history, identifying which contributions were deductible vs non-deductible. This gives you a clear picture of your current basis before starting backdoor Roth conversions. Looking at line 14 on last year's Form 8606 is exactly right - that's your ending basis. The challenge comes when you have missing years, made mistakes in past filings, or have complicated scenarios. The service basically does a comprehensive review to confirm everything matches up correctly across years, which often reveals discrepancies that even some CPAs miss.

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So I tried that taxr.ai site the other commenter mentioned, and I've got to say I'm impressed. I was totally skeptical, but it identified that I had been carrying forward the wrong basis amount for THREE YEARS on my backdoor Roth conversions. Apparently when I switched tax software in 2023, something got messed up in the transfer. The analysis showed that my actual Traditional IRA basis should be zero (since I've been doing the full contribution+conversion each year), but I had mistakenly been reporting a growing basis of over $16,000! The service gave me a detailed report explaining exactly which lines on Form 8606 were incorrect in each year and how to fix it. Definitely worth checking out if you've been doing these backdoor Roths for multiple years.

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After reading this thread, I realize I might have similar issues with my backdoor Roth reporting. The problem is I can't get through to the IRS to ask questions - been calling for WEEKS. Every time I call, I get the "high call volume" message and they hang up. I finally used Claimyr (https://claimyr.com) after seeing it recommended in another thread. Their system basically holds your place in line with the IRS and calls you when an agent is ready to talk. I was super skeptical but you can see how it works in this video: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c The IRS agent confirmed that after doing a backdoor Roth (contributing to Traditional then converting to Roth), my Traditional IRA basis should indeed be zero at year-end. She also explained how to correct my previous Form 8606s where I had been carrying forward basis incorrectly. Saved me hours of frustration!

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How exactly does this service work? Do they have some special connection to the IRS or something? Seems weird that they can get through when nobody else can.

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Yeah right. No way this is legit. The IRS phone system is literally designed to be impenetrable. I've tried calling for 3 months straight about my missing refund and never got through. I'll believe this works when I see it.

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They don't have special access - they use an automated system that essentially waits on hold for you. Their system keeps calling the IRS using their dialing technology until they get through, then when an agent picks up, they connect that call to your phone. No magic, just technology that keeps trying when humans would give up. I had the same reaction as you at first. But after wasting hours of my life trying to get through, I decided to try it. The service called me back about 2 hours later with an IRS agent on the line. The agent was actually helpful and walked me through exactly how to handle my backdoor Roth basis issues from prior years.

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Ok I have to eat my words. After posting my skeptical comment earlier, I tried that Claimyr service out of desperation. IT ACTUALLY WORKS. Got connected to an IRS agent in about 90 minutes when I'd been trying for literal months on my own. The agent cleared up my confusion about Form 8606 and backdoor Roth IRA basis. Turns out I've been doing it wrong for years - I thought my basis should keep growing even after converting to Roth. The agent explained that basis only tracks non-deductible contributions still in the Traditional IRA, so after converting everything, the basis resets to zero. Now I need to file some amendments, but at least I understand what's happening!

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For anyone still confused about basis tracking with backdoor Roth conversions, here's a simple way to think about it: 1. You make a non-deductible contribution to Traditional IRA: BASIS INCREASES 2. You convert that money to Roth IRA: BASIS DECREASES by the same amount 3. Result after both steps: BASIS is back to $0 If you ever have money left in your Traditional IRA after a conversion, or if you only convert part of your contribution, then you'd have some remaining basis to track. But with a "clean" backdoor Roth where you convert everything, your basis should be $0 at the end of each cycle.

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This makes sense but what happens if you miss filing Form 8606 for a year where you did a backdoor Roth? Do you lose track of the basis forever or can you still fix it?

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You can definitely still fix it! You'd need to file a Form 8606 for that missing year - you can file this form by itself without amending your entire tax return. The IRS allows you to file Form 8606 for prior years to properly track your non-deductible contributions. If you did a complete backdoor Roth (contribution followed by full conversion), the end result would still show zero basis carried forward, but filing the form creates the paper trail that shows you properly reported the non-deductible contribution and subsequent conversion. This is important because without that documentation, you might end up paying tax again on that money when you eventually withdraw it.

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Has anyone noticed that tax software like TurboTax doesn't handle backdoor Roth contributions very intuitively? It keeps asking me questions that don't quite fit my situation and I'm worried I'm missing something.

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TurboTax is actually pretty decent with this if you know where to look. When entering IRA contributions, make sure you select "I'm not eligible to deduct my Traditional IRA contributions" when prompted. Later, when entering the Roth conversion, it should link these events together on Form 8606. FreeTaxUSA actually handles backdoor Roths more clearly in my experience. It has a more straightforward section specifically for non-deductible contributions and conversions.

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This is such a helpful thread! I've been doing backdoor Roth conversions for a couple years but never fully understood the basis tracking until reading these explanations. Just to confirm my understanding: if I contributed $6,000 to a Traditional IRA as non-deductible in 2023, then converted the full $6,000 to Roth that same year, my Form 8606 for 2023 should show $0 basis carried forward to 2024, correct? And then if I did the same thing in 2024 ($7,000 contribution + full conversion), my basis going into 2025 should still be $0? I think I've been overthinking this whole process. It sounds like as long as I'm doing complete conversions each year and filing Form 8606 properly, the basis should always reset to zero after each cycle. Thanks everyone for breaking this down so clearly!

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This whole thread has been a lifesaver! I'm doing my first backdoor Roth this year and was getting completely overwhelmed by all the Form 8606 documentation requirements. One quick follow-up question: if I'm contributing $7,000 for 2025 but my income puts me right at the edge of the Roth IRA phase-out limits, should I still go the backdoor route? I'm worried about accidentally ending up in some weird partial-eligibility situation where I mess up the tax treatment. Also, for anyone else who's been struggling with the IRS phone system - I can confirm that Claimyr thing actually works. Used it last month for an unrelated issue and got through in about an hour. Definitely beats the endless busy signals! The key takeaway I'm getting from all these responses is: contribute to Traditional IRA (non-deductible), convert everything to Roth ASAP, file Form 8606 to document both steps, and your basis should be $0 at year-end. Rinse and repeat each year. Does that sound right to everyone?

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You've got the process exactly right! That's a perfect summary of the backdoor Roth steps. Regarding your income situation - if you're right at the edge of the phase-out limits, the backdoor route is actually safer than trying to do a direct Roth contribution. Here's why: if your income ends up higher than expected (bonus, extra freelance work, etc.), you could accidentally exceed the limits and face penalties on a direct Roth contribution. With the backdoor method, your income level doesn't matter at all since you're making a non-deductible Traditional IRA contribution first. The backdoor route also gives you more flexibility - you can contribute now and convert later in the year when you have a better picture of your final income. Just remember to convert relatively quickly to minimize any earnings that would be taxable. And yes, glad to hear Claimyr worked for you too! It's definitely a game-changer when you need to actually speak with the IRS instead of getting those endless busy signals.

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