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Jamal Thompson

Understanding Basis Calculation for Backdoor Roth IRA Contributions?

I'm trying to wrap my head around this whole "basis" thing for my 8606 form. I've been doing either direct Roth contributions (when I was making less money) or Backdoor Roth (now that I'm in a higher tax bracket). I've literally never contributed to a traditional IRA except as part of the backdoor process. The thing is, I'm now confused about what my "basis" should be on Form 8606. I was under the impression that the backdoor Roth conversion process basically resets or "neutralizes" any basis each year. But now I'm second-guessing myself. If I'm doing the backdoor Roth correctly, should I have any accumulated basis at all? What number should I be putting down? Sorry if this is a dumb question - I'm trying to do my 2024 taxes for filing in 2025 and realized I might have been doing this wrong for years!

Mei Chen

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The basis on Form 8606 represents your after-tax contributions to traditional IRAs that haven't been deducted on your tax returns. With the backdoor Roth strategy, you're right that the process essentially "resets" each year. Here's how it typically works: You make a non-deductible contribution to your traditional IRA (let's say $6,500), then convert that amount to your Roth IRA shortly after. On Form 8606, you'd report the non-deductible contribution, establishing your basis of $6,500. When you convert to Roth, that basis prevents you from being taxed again on that money during conversion. If you're doing a "clean" backdoor Roth (no other traditional IRA assets with pre-tax dollars), then you shouldn't accumulate basis year over year. Each year stands alone - contribute, convert, report on Form 8606, repeat next year with a fresh basis calculation.

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CosmicCadet

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But what about if you do the contribution in December and don't convert until January of the next year? Does that mess with the basis calculation? I've always been paranoid about timing.

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Mei Chen

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The timing between contribution and conversion doesn't affect the fundamental basis calculation. If you contribute in December 2024 and convert in January 2025, the contribution is still reported on your 2024 Form 8606 (establishing basis), and the conversion is reported on your 2025 Form 8606 (using that basis to determine taxable amount). The key is keeping track of your non-deductible contributions across tax years. The IRS doesn't "forget" your basis between December and January, so you won't be double-taxed. Just make sure to file Form 8606 for both years to properly document everything.

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Liam O'Connor

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Amara Adeyemi

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Does it actually explain the calculations or just spit out a number? I've been doing backdoor Roths for 3 years and I'm confused about whether I should be accumulating basis or starting fresh each year.

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I'm skeptical about tax tools that claim to understand something as complex as backdoor Roth basis calculations. Have you verified this with an actual tax pro? I'd be worried about getting audited based on software recommendations.

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Liam O'Connor

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It actually walks through the entire calculation step by step and explains why each number goes where it does on Form 8606. For backdoor Roths, it specifically showed how each year's contribution creates its own basis that's "used up" when you do the conversion. The software provides detailed explanations alongside the calculations, including IRS references. It's not just spitting out numbers - it's showing you the reasoning. I did verify with my CPA afterward, and he confirmed the tool's analysis was correct. He was actually impressed with how clearly it explained a concept that confuses many of his clients.

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Sofia Ramirez

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Another way to think about this: the "basis" is essentially tracking money that's already been taxed so you don't get taxed twice. With a backdoor Roth, you: 1. Contribute after-tax dollars to traditional IRA (creating basis) 2. Convert those dollars to Roth IRA (using up the basis) 3. Report both steps on Form 8606 If you're not keeping any money in the traditional IRA, then your basis should reset each year. The only time you'd accumulate basis is if you made non-deductible contributions to a traditional IRA and DIDN'T convert them to Roth.

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Dmitry Popov

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What about any earnings that might accrue between contribution and conversion? Like if the money sits in the traditional IRA for a few weeks and earns interest?

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Sofia Ramirez

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Great question! Any earnings that accrue between your contribution and conversion are actually taxable when converted. Your basis only covers your original contribution amount. For example, if you contribute $6,500 to your traditional IRA (your basis), and it earns $50 before you convert it, when you convert the full $6,550 to Roth, you'd owe income tax on that $50 of earnings. That's why many people do the conversion very quickly after the contribution - to minimize any taxable earnings in between steps.

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Ava Rodriguez

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Has anyone figured out how to handle previous year mistakes on this? I just realized I've been carrying forward basis incorrectly on my 8606 for like 3 years. Do I need to file amended returns or can I just correct it going forward?

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Miguel Ortiz

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You should probably file Form 8606X to amend previous years. The IRS can assess penalties for incorrect 8606 forms even if you didn't underpay your taxes.

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