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Struggling with Basis of Conversion for Roth IRA on my tax return - help!

So I'm trying to finish up my taxes before the deadline and I've hit a roadblock with the Roth IRA section. I'm completely confused about what to put for the Basis of Conversion. This is my first year dealing with this after converting some of my traditional IRA to Roth last year (around $14,000 worth). The tax software is asking me for the "basis of conversion" and I honestly have no idea what that even means or where to find this information. I thought I kept good records of everything, but now I'm second-guessing myself. Does this refer to the original contributions I made that were already taxed? Or something else entirely? My 1099-R shows the distribution, but it doesn't specifically mention "basis" anywhere that I can see. I've spent the last two hours Googling and I'm more confused than when I started. Can anyone explain in simple terms what the Basis of Conversion actually is and how I figure out what number to put in this box?

The "Basis of Conversion" refers to the amount of money in your Traditional IRA that you already paid taxes on (non-deductible contributions). This is important because you don't want to pay taxes twice on the same money! Here's a simple breakdown: If you made deductible contributions to your Traditional IRA (meaning you got a tax break when you contributed), your basis would be $0, and the full conversion amount would be taxable. If you made some non-deductible contributions (meaning you didn't get a tax deduction), those amounts make up your "basis" and won't be taxed again during conversion. Check your previous tax returns, specifically Form 8606 from prior years, which tracks your non-deductible contributions. If you've never filed Form 8606 before and always took deductions for your Traditional IRA contributions, your basis is likely $0, meaning the full $14,000 conversion is taxable income.

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Thanks for explaining! I think I've always taken the tax deduction for my Traditional IRA contributions in previous years, so it sounds like my basis would be $0? I don't remember ever filling out a Form 8606 before. Does this mean I'll owe taxes on the entire $14,000 conversion then? That seems like a big tax hit all at once. Is there any way to spread that out?

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Your basis would indeed be $0 if you always took tax deductions for your Traditional IRA contributions and never filed Form 8606. This means the entire $14,000 conversion will be taxable income for this tax year. Unfortunately, you can't spread out the tax impact of a conversion that's already happened. The full amount gets added to your taxable income for the year you did the conversion. This is why many financial advisors recommend planning conversions carefully and sometimes doing them in smaller chunks over multiple years to avoid jumping into higher tax brackets. For future reference, the best time to convert is often during years when you might have lower income.

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After struggling with the exact same Basis of Conversion issue last year, I finally found a solution that saved me hours of confusion. I tried https://taxr.ai and uploaded my 1099-R and previous tax returns. Their system analyzed everything and identified my correct basis amount automatically. It even explained which prior contributions were deductible vs. non-deductible so I understood why my basis was calculated that way. The tool actually walked me through what Form 8606 was and how it tracks non-deductible contributions over time. Definitely worth checking out if you're stuck on this Roth conversion question or have other tax document confusion.

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Did it actually show you where to find the basis information on your old returns? I'm in a similar situation but I'm wondering if this would work if I've never tracked my non-deductible contributions before.

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I'm skeptical about these tax tools. How does it know which contributions were deductible vs non-deductible if that information isn't clearly labeled on your forms? Seems like it would just be guessing.

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It analyzed my previous tax returns and showed exactly where the information was coming from. It pointed out specific lines on my old Form 1040s and whether I had claimed deductions for IRA contributions in past years. Since I had some years where I exceeded income limits for deductible contributions, it identified those as part of my basis. For your situation, if you've truly never tracked non-deductible contributions, it would likely confirm your basis is $0, but at least you'd know for certain. The tool actually looks at your adjusted gross income from previous years to verify whether your contributions should have been deductible or non-deductible based on IRS income limits at that time.

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I was honestly super skeptical about using https://taxr.ai like I mentioned before, but I was desperate after spending an entire weekend trying to figure out my Basis of Conversion. I decided to give it a try and was shocked by how helpful it actually was. The system analyzed my last 3 years of tax returns and showed me that I actually had a $3,200 basis I didn't know about! Turns out in 2022 I had exceeded the income limit for deductible contributions but didn't realize it. The tool identified this non-deductible contribution and confirmed it should be part of my conversion basis. This saved me from overpaying taxes on money I'd already been taxed on. I was able to properly report everything on Form 8606 and understand what I was doing for once. Definitely less stressful than my usual tax confusion!

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Quick tip for others confused about Basis of Conversion for Roth IRAs: If you haven't been keeping track of your non-deductible contributions with Form 8606 each year, you might need to go back through old tax returns to reconstruct your basis. I learned this the hard way - had to go through 7 years of tax returns to figure out which contributions were deductible vs. non-deductible. Check if you filed Form 8606 in prior years, and if your income was ever above the limit for deductible IRA contributions. Those non-deductible contributions form your basis! Also worth noting: if you're doing a Backdoor Roth (contributing to Traditional then immediately converting to Roth), your basis is typically equal to your contribution, so there's no additional tax on the conversion.

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What if I can't find all my old tax returns? I'm missing records from 2018-2020 and think I made non-deductible contributions during those years.

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You can request tax return transcripts from the IRS for free. Go to the IRS website and search for "Get Transcript" or use their transcript request form. You can get returns going back several years. The transcript will show if you filed Form 8606 and what your reported non-deductible contributions were. If you absolutely can't reconstruct your basis with documentation, you might have to assume it's zero, which means paying more tax. But definitely try to get those transcripts first before giving up on finding your true basis amount.

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Does anyone know if the Basis of Conversion calculation is different when converting a SEP IRA to a Roth? My tax software (TurboTax) seems confused when I enter my information.

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The calculation works the same way for SEP IRAs. Your basis is still the total of your non-deductible contributions. The difference is that most SEP IRA contributions are made by employers and are always pre-tax, so they don't create basis. If you made additional non-deductible contributions to your SEP IRA (uncommon but possible), only those would count toward your basis. Most people with only employer-funded SEP IRAs have a basis of $0, meaning the full conversion is taxable.

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Thanks for clearing that up! My SEP was entirely funded through my self-employment business, and I always took the deduction for those contributions. Sounds like my basis really is $0 then, which explains why TurboTax is calculating tax on the full conversion amount.

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Word of warning about Basis of Conversion: if you have multiple IRAs (Traditional, SEP, SIMPLE, etc.), you can't just calculate the basis for the one you're converting! The IRS makes you aggregate ALL your IRA balances when figuring out how much of your conversion is taxable. Look up the "pro-rata rule" - it bit me hard last year. Even if you're only converting an IRA that has 100% non-deductible contributions (meaning you'd think the basis equals the full amount), if you have other pre-tax IRAs, you have to factor those in too. The formula is basically: (Total Basis in ALL IRAs ÷ Total Value of ALL IRAs) × Conversion Amount = Nontaxable Portion. The remaining portion is taxable. This completely messed up my tax planning last year.

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Oh no, this sounds complicated! I do have another traditional IRA that I didn't convert. Does this mean I need to include that one in my calculations too? My tax software didn't ask about my other accounts at all!

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Yes, you absolutely need to include your other Traditional IRA in the calculation! This is a common mistake that many tax software programs don't properly warn you about. When you complete Form 8606, you'll need to report the December 31st fair market value of ALL your IRA accounts (traditional, SEP, and SIMPLE) on line 6, not just the one you converted. This changes the pro-rata calculation of how much of your conversion is taxable. Definitely go back and check this in your tax software - there should be a place to enter the total value of all your IRAs, even the ones you didn't touch for the conversion.

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