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How to Calculate Basis for Backdoor Roth IRA on Form 8606? Need help with prior year amendments

So I've been doing the backdoor Roth IRA strategy for like 4-5 years now, but I recently realized I might have totally messed up filling out my Form 8606 in previous years. Now I'm freaking out a bit because I think I need to go back and file amended returns. The whole basis calculation part has me completely confused. I made non-deductible contributions to my Traditional IRA and then converted to Roth each year, but I don't think I tracked the basis properly on Form 8606. I've been putting $6,000 (and now $6,500 for 2023) each year but I think I screwed up the calculations. Can someone please help me figure out how to calculate my basis correctly for the Form 8606? I'm especially confused about how previous years' contributions affect my current basis. Do I need to add all the non-deductible contributions together? And if I messed up previous years, do I need to file a separate 8606 for each year I'm amending? I'm using TurboTax but it's not very helpful for this specific situation. Really appreciate any guidance!

The good news is that this is fixable, even if you made some mistakes on your previous Form 8606s! The basis for your IRA is essentially the total of all your non-deductible contributions. Each year when you do a backdoor Roth, you should be filing Form 8606 to report your non-deductible contribution to the Traditional IRA and then the conversion to the Roth IRA. If you've been consistently contributing and then converting the full amount each year (with no earnings before conversion), your basis should reset to zero after each complete conversion. This is because you're converting the entire basis amount to the Roth each time. Yes, you'll need to file a separate Form 8606 for each year you need to amend. No need to file a full 1040X if only the 8606 was incorrect and it doesn't change your tax liability. You can just submit the corrected 8606 forms with a brief explanation letter. The most important thing is to get the sequence right and make sure each year's form correctly carries forward information from the previous year.

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Thanks for this info. I'm actually in a similar situation! When I submit the corrected 8606 forms, do I need to include any supporting documentation? And how far back can/should I go to fix these?

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You generally don't need supporting documentation when submitting corrected 8606 forms, but it's helpful to include a brief cover letter explaining that you're filing corrected forms. The IRS generally allows you to go back 3 years to amend returns, but Form 8606 is special because it tracks your basis over your lifetime. So technically you can correct 8606 forms from many years ago if needed to properly track your basis.

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After spending hours trying to sort out my own backdoor Roth issues last year, I finally used https://taxr.ai and it saved me so much headache. I uploaded my previous tax returns and it identified exactly where I went wrong with my Form 8606 calculations. The system spotted that I had been double-counting my basis from year to year (rookie mistake) and outlined exactly which forms needed amending. It even created draft 8606 forms with the correct numbers that I could use as a guide when filing my amendments. What I found most helpful was their visual explanation of how the basis is supposed to carry forward between years for backdoor Roth conversions. Made the whole process much clearer than anything I found on TurboTax.

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That sounds helpful but isn't this something a regular CPA could help with? How exactly does the system know what's correct vs incorrect on previous returns?

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I'm curious - does it work with other tax software returns too? I've been using H&R Block software and have the same backdoor Roth issue with form 8606.

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A CPA could definitely help, but when I checked it was going to cost me $300+ for them to review multiple years of returns. The AI system checks against IRS rules specifically for Form 8606 and identifies inconsistencies in how basis is calculated and carried forward between years. Yes, it works with returns from any tax software! I uploaded PDFs from TurboTax, but my friend used it with H&R Block returns too. It extracts the relevant information regardless of which software generated the forms.

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Just wanted to follow up - I tried taxr.ai after posting here and it was exactly what I needed! The system identified that I had been reporting my conversions correctly but completely messed up the basis calculation on line 14 of Form 8606 for two years in a row. It showed me side-by-side comparisons of what I filed versus what should have been filed, and explained how the basis should reset to zero after each full conversion (which I wasn't doing). I was able to prepare corrected 8606 forms for 2020-2022 and just mailed them in with a cover letter as suggested. The step-by-step breakdown of the backdoor Roth process was super clear - wish I'd found this before I made the mistakes in the first place!

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After 9 attempts and 4 hours wasted trying to reach someone at the IRS about my 8606 forms, I finally used https://claimyr.com to get through to an actual IRS agent. You can see how it works here: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c I had specific questions about amending multiple years of Form 8606 for backdoor Roth calculations and needed official guidance. The service got me connected to an IRS rep in about 20 minutes when I had previously been unable to get through at all. The agent confirmed that I could submit corrected 8606 forms without filing full 1040X amendments since my tax liability wasn't changing - just fixing the basis tracking. They also clarified the process for me and told me exactly where to mail the corrected forms.

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Wait, so this service just gets you through the IRS phone queue? How does that even work? The IRS phone system is completely broken.

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I'm really skeptical about this. I've tried calling the IRS for weeks about my backdoor Roth issues. You're saying this actually got you to a human who could help with something as specific as Form 8606 basis questions?

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It basically works by navigating the IRS phone system and waiting on hold for you. Then when they reach a human, you get a call to connect with the agent. Absolutely! I spoke with an agent in the individual tax department who specifically knew about Form 8606 issues. She walked me through exactly which lines needed correction for backdoor Roth basis calculations and confirmed I could submit standalone 8606 forms without full amendments. She even gave me the specific mailing address for my state.

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I have to admit I was totally wrong about Claimyr. After posting my skeptical comment, I decided to try it anyway since I was desperate for help with my backdoor Roth 8606 forms. The service called me back in about 25 minutes with an actual IRS tax specialist on the line. The agent reviewed my situation and explained that my basis calculation error was common with backdoor Roth transactions. She confirmed exactly how to fix it: I needed to file corrected 8606 forms showing the proper basis tracking across years. What surprised me most was how knowledgeable the agent was about Form 8606 specifically. She explained that Line 14 should be zero after each full conversion, which is exactly where I made my mistake. Saved me from having to hire a tax pro!

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Quick tip for anyone fixing Form 8606 errors: Make sure you're properly accounting for any growth that happened between contribution and conversion. If your $6000 contribution grew to $6050 before conversion, that $50 is taxable in the year of conversion. I see people miss this all the time with backdoor Roth IRA calculations. Also remember that basis is tracked at the taxpayer level, not the account level. So if you have multiple traditional IRAs, they all figure into your pro-rata calculation on Form 8606 even if you're only converting from one of them.

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This is super helpful! I think this might be part of my problem. Some years I did have a little growth between contribution and conversion. How exactly do I account for that on Form 8606? Does it affect my basis calculation?

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The growth doesn't affect your basis - your basis is still just your non-deductible contribution amount. However, the growth is reported as taxable income in the year of conversion. On Form 8606, you'd report your $6000 non-deductible contribution as your basis. Then when reporting the conversion, you'd show the full amount converted ($6050 in this example). The difference ($50) ends up being taxable. The form walks you through this calculation in Part II. Just make sure after a full conversion that line 14 (your remaining basis) properly resets to zero.

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Has anyone successfully used the IRS's "Get Transcript" online to get copies of previously filed 8606 forms? I need to see what I submitted for the last few years to fix my backdoor Roth basis calculations.

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Yep! I used the Get Transcript tool on irs.gov last month. You need to request the "Tax Return Transcript" option, not the account transcript. It shows the filed 8606 information though sometimes it's just the line entries, not the actual form image. Was enough for me to see where I messed up my basis calculations.

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Perfect, thanks! Just tried it and was able to get my transcripts. You're right - it shows the numbers but not the actual form. Still helpful though - I can see I definitely carried forward the wrong basis amount for my backdoor Roth in 2021. Ugh, time to fix it.

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For anyone else filing corrected 8606 forms for their backdoor Roth IRA: I just went through this process and prepared a simple cover letter to attach to my corrected forms that read: "Please find enclosed corrected Forms 8606 for tax years 2020, 2021, and 2022. These corrected forms properly reflect the basis of non-deductible IRA contributions and Roth conversions that were made in each year. The original forms contained calculation errors but the corrections do not change my tax liability for any year." The IRS processed them without issue and I received confirmation letters about 8 weeks later.

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