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Isabella Ferreira

Backdoor Roth Confusion: Deductible vs Non-Deductible Traditional IRA Contribution - Help!

So I'm trying to wrap my head around this whole Backdoor Roth situation and I think I might have messed up. Here's where I stand: I earned too much to directly contribute to a Roth IRA last year (2023). I didn't participate in my company's 401K plan at all during 2023, and they don't contribute anything for me either. Earlier this year, I made a contribution for tax year 2023 - originally put it into a Roth IRA but then had to recharacterize it to a Traditional IRA when I realized my income was over the limit. Then I did the Backdoor Roth conversion to move that Traditional IRA money into a Roth IRA. Here's where I'm confused... I was working on my taxes yesterday and TurboTax let me deduct that $8,125 Traditional IRA contribution. I went ahead and filed, but then I was looking at my return and noticed there's no Form 8606 anywhere. I'm pretty sure for a Backdoor Roth strategy, the Traditional IRA contribution needs to be NON-deductible, right? That's why there's no 8606? Did I screw this up completely? If I do nothing, am I going to get hit with extra taxes on the money I converted to the Roth? What should I do at this point? Should I amend my return tomorrow and mark the contribution as non-deductible? What happens if I just leave it as is? Really appreciate any guidance here!

Ravi Sharma

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You're absolutely right to be concerned. For a proper Backdoor Roth IRA strategy, your Traditional IRA contribution should be non-deductible. The absence of Form 8606 is definitely a red flag. Here's what's happening: When you do a Backdoor Roth, you need to make a non-deductible contribution to a Traditional IRA first, then convert it to a Roth IRA. Form 8606 is used to report non-deductible contributions to Traditional IRAs and to track the basis in your IRA for future distributions or conversions. Since you didn't participate in an employer plan, TurboTax correctly determined you're eligible to deduct your Traditional IRA contribution regardless of income. However, taking that deduction defeats the purpose of the Backdoor Roth strategy and creates tax complications. If you do nothing, you'll essentially be double-taxed on that money. You got a tax deduction now, but when you withdraw from the Roth in retirement, you'll pay taxes again (since Roth withdrawals are supposed to be tax-free because you paid tax on the money going in).

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Freya Thomsen

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Wait I'm confused... If they already converted the money to a Roth, wouldn't they owe taxes on the conversion if they took the deduction for the Traditional IRA? Like they'd be taxed on the conversion amount since it was pre-tax money going into a post-tax account?

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Ravi Sharma

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Yes, that's exactly right. When you convert pre-tax (deductible) Traditional IRA money to a Roth IRA, the converted amount is taxable income in the year of conversion. If OP deducted the contribution and then converted it, they should have reported that conversion as taxable income on their return. If the conversion was already reported as taxable income, then there's actually no double taxation issue. However, this approach isn't the typical Backdoor Roth strategy, which normally involves non-deductible contributions specifically to avoid taxation on the conversion (except for any earnings between contribution and conversion).

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Zara Ahmed

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The key thing everyone's missing here is that if you were eligible to deduct your Traditional IRA contribution (because you weren't covered by an employer plan), you have a CHOICE - you can either: 1. Take the deduction, but then pay taxes on the conversion to Roth, or 2. NOT take the deduction (make it non-deductible), file Form 8606, and then convert with minimal/no tax consequences Most people do #2 for Backdoor Roth because it's usually more advantageous, but both are technically legal. The problem is you need to be consistent - if you deducted the contribution, you MUST report the conversion as taxable income.

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Thanks for explaining this! So in my case, since I already filed and took the deduction, but didn't report the conversion as taxable income, I definitely need to amend, right? Should I switch to making it non-deductible with Form 8606, or keep the deduction and report the conversion as income?

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Zara Ahmed

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You have two options for your amendment, and it mostly comes down to which is more advantageous tax-wise. Option 1: Keep the deduction for the Traditional IRA contribution, but report the Roth conversion as taxable income. This could make sense if you're in a lower tax bracket this year than you expect to be in future years. Option 2: Remove the deduction, file Form 8606 to report it as a non-deductible contribution, and then the conversion won't be taxable (except for any earnings between contribution and conversion). This is the classic Backdoor Roth approach.

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StarStrider

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Has anyone used Free File Fillable Forms to handle this? I'm trying to do my own taxes with backdoor Roth for the first time and I'm completely lost on how to properly report everything.

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Luca Esposito

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Free File Fillable Forms are not great for complex situations like Backdoor Roth conversions. I tried last year and messed it up. Form 8606 has specific calculations for basis and you need to report the conversion correctly on your 1040. I ended up using TaxSlayer which handled it much better.

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StarStrider

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Thanks for the heads up! Maybe I should try TaxSlayer or another program for this year then. Did you find any specific guidance that helped with filling out Form 8606 correctly?

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LongPeri

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I went through this exact same situation last year and want to share what I learned! You're absolutely right to be concerned - taking the deduction when doing a Backdoor Roth creates a tax mess. Here's what happened in your case: You deducted the Traditional IRA contribution (getting a tax benefit now), but then converted that pre-tax money to a Roth IRA. The IRS sees this conversion as taxable income since you're moving pre-tax dollars into an after-tax account. If you didn't report the conversion as income on your return, you definitely need to amend. You have two paths forward: 1. Keep the deduction and add the conversion as taxable income on an amended return 2. Remove the deduction, file Form 8606 for a non-deductible contribution, and the conversion won't be taxable For future reference, the classic Backdoor Roth strategy uses option 2 - make non-deductible contributions specifically so the conversion isn't a taxable event. Since you were eligible for the deduction (no employer plan), you had to actively choose NOT to take it. I'd recommend consulting with a tax professional before amending, as they can run the numbers to see which option saves you more in taxes. The timing matters too since amended returns take months to process.

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