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Ava Williams

How to properly complete Form 8606 for Traditional IRA to Roth IRA conversions - backdoor Roth question

Hey tax folks, I need some help with Form 8606 for a backdoor Roth conversion. I'm totally confused about how to report this properly. I opened my first traditional and Roth IRA accounts this year (2024). Here's what I did: - Made a $9,500 contribution to my traditional IRA for tax year 2024 - Made a $7,800 contribution to my traditional IRA for tax year 2023 (prior year contribution) - Then converted the entire $17,300 from traditional to Roth IRA (backdoor rollover) When I was checking my statements recently, I noticed there was about $7.25 of interest that had accrued in the traditional IRA that I completely forgot about when doing the conversion. I've tried entering all this into both TurboTax and FreeTaxUSA, and they're generating the same Form 8606, but something seems wrong: 1. Line 8 (amount converted to Roth IRA) is completely blank - shouldn't this show my $17,300? 2. Lines 9-12 are all blank as a result 3. Line 13 shows $17,293 as the "nontaxable portion of distributions" 4. Line 14 shows $7 as "total basis" Can someone help me figure out if this is correct or if I'm missing something? I want to make sure I'm reporting this backdoor Roth correctly.

Miguel Castro

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The Form 8606 output you're seeing is actually correct, even though it might seem counterintuitive! Here's what's happening: When you do a backdoor Roth conversion, Form 8606 treats this as two separate transactions: first, a non-deductible contribution to a Traditional IRA, and second, a distribution from the Traditional IRA that gets converted to a Roth. The blank line 8 is confusing many people, but it's because the form is focusing on the distribution aspect rather than explicitly calling it a "conversion." Your $17,300 conversion is actually being captured in line 13 as the nontaxable portion of your distribution. The $7 of interest that remained in your account is considered taxable, which is why line 14 shows it as your remaining basis. You'll need to pay income tax on that small amount of earnings. This is actually working as intended - the whole point of Form 8606 in your scenario is to track that you've already paid tax on the contributions, so they aren't taxed again when converted.

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Thanks for explaining! So does that mean the $7.25 interest is what I owe taxes on? And do I need to do another conversion for that leftover interest amount, or can I just leave it in the traditional IRA?

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Miguel Castro

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Yes, you'll owe income tax on just that $7.25 of interest. The IRS considers that as earnings in the traditional IRA before conversion, so it's taxable. You don't have to convert that remaining interest if you don't want to. You can leave it in the traditional IRA, or you can do another small conversion to move it to your Roth. If you do convert it later, you'll report it on next year's Form 8606, and it would be fully taxable since it's all earnings.

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LunarEclipse

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How does taxr.ai handle the basis calculations? That's what I always find confusing - tracking the non-deductible contributions from year to year.

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Oliver Weber

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The Form 8606 is one of the most confusing tax forms out there, especially for backdoor Roth conversions. Here's what I learned after doing these for several years: 1. The blank line 8 is normal - the form doesn't explicitly show the conversion amount there 2. The fact that line 13 shows $17,293 means that's the non-taxable portion of your conversion 3. The $7 difference is your taxable portion (the earnings) One tip: next time, convert the full amount INCLUDING any interest earned. That way you won't have a tiny amount left in the traditional IRA. Makes record-keeping cleaner.

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Ava Williams

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Thanks for the advice! If I wanted to convert that remaining $7.25 now (in 2025), would I include that on next year's tax return? And would it be considered a new conversion?

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Oliver Weber

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If you convert the remaining $7.25 now in 2025, you would report it on your 2025 tax return (the one you'll file in 2026). It would be considered a new conversion, but since it's all earnings (no basis), it would be fully taxable. You would complete a new Form 8606 for 2025, but the calculations would be much simpler since you're only dealing with a small amount of pre-tax money. Your basis would be $0 and the taxable amount would be the full $7.25.

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FireflyDreams

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Does anyone know if FreeTaxUSA handles backdoor Roth conversions better than TurboTax? I'm about to do my first conversion and trying to decide which software to use.

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I've used both and honestly they handle Form 8606 pretty much identically. The form will look the same either way. FreeTaxUSA is way cheaper though and still walks you through all the questions correctly.

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Arjun Kurti

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Just wanted to add my experience for anyone else dealing with this confusion. I did my first backdoor Roth conversion last year and had the exact same panic when I saw the blank line 8 on Form 8606! What helped me understand it was realizing that the IRS views this as a "nondeductible contribution followed by a distribution" rather than a direct "conversion." So the form is structured to track your basis (the after-tax money you put in) and separate it from any earnings. In your case, you contributed $17,300 of after-tax money, it earned $7.25, and then you distributed $17,300 of it to convert to Roth. The $7.25 that's still sitting in your traditional IRA will be fully taxable if/when you convert it later since it's all earnings. One thing to keep in mind for future years - if you plan to do backdoor Roth conversions regularly, try to convert quickly after making the contribution to minimize any earnings that build up. Makes the tax reporting much cleaner!

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This is really helpful! I'm planning to do my first backdoor Roth conversion next year and was wondering about the timing. How quickly should I convert after making the contribution? Is there a specific timeframe I should aim for, or is it more about just minimizing the earnings that accumulate? Also, does it matter if I make contributions for both the current tax year and prior tax year like the original poster did, or should I space those out differently?

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