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One approach I used when selling my flower shop last year was getting a business valuation expert to help with Form 8594. Cost me about $600 but they provided a detailed breakdown for all asset classes including intangibles like my customer list, brand value, and location advantages. Gave me peace of mind for a potential audit and the buyer appreciated having professional documentation too. Just another option if you're worried about doing it yourself.
Isn't that overkill for a small business sale though? $600 seems like a lot to spend just to fill out one tax form correctly. Did you consider just doing it yourself first?
For some small businesses it might be overkill, but in my case the sale was for over $150k so spending $600 for proper allocation made sense. I did try doing it myself initially, but got nervous when I realized how subjective the intangible valuations can be. The valuation expert provided documentation that showed market-based comparisons for similar businesses in my area, which made the allocations defensible if questioned. They also helped optimize the tax implications for both me and the buyer, which potentially saved more than the cost of their services.
Quick tip if you're preparing Form 8594: the IRS mentions in Publication 535 that you should use the "residual method" for allocating purchase price. This means you assign values to tangible assets first (based on fair market value), then whatever's left goes to intangibles and goodwill. Has anyone used TurboTax Business for filing this form? Wondering if it walks you through this process well or if I should use a different software...
I used TaxAct last year for my business sale and it was pretty decent with Form 8594. It had a specific section for business sales that walked through each asset class and helped allocate everything. Can't speak to TurboTax specifically but the business versions of most tax software handle this form adequately.
Just to clarify something important that people are missing... the pandemic unemployment assistance wasn't $600 weekly for 2021. That was the 2020 CARES Act supplement. In 2021, it was $300 per week through the American Rescue Plan, and it ended in September 2021. Make sure you're calculating your potential tax liability based on the correct amount! And don't forget that some states did provide their own unemployment tax breaks for 2021 even though the federal government didn't.
You're absolutely right - thanks for catching that! I mixed up the amounts. It was definitely the $300 supplemental for 2021, not $600. Do you happen to know which states provided their own unemployment tax breaks for 2021? I'm in Michigan if that helps.
Several states did offer some tax relief for unemployment benefits in 2021. Unfortunately, Michigan wasn't one of them. The states that excluded some unemployment compensation from state taxes in 2021 included Colorado, Delaware, Georgia, Hawaii, Iowa, Illinois, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, Missouri, North Carolina, New Mexico, New York, and Oregon β but the amounts and qualifications varied significantly. For Michigan residents, unemployment compensation was fully taxable for 2021 at both federal and state levels. When you file your back taxes, make sure you have your 1099-G form showing all the unemployment you received. If you don't have it, you can usually retrieve it from your state's unemployment agency website.
Hi, I'm an enrolled agent and want to add something important: even though you'll need to pay taxes on the full 2021 unemployment, you should still file ASAP. The penalties keep growing the longer you wait! If you're worried about paying, you can request an installment agreement with the IRS, which is pretty straightforward. Form 9465 or online payment agreement are your options. Also look into whether you might qualify for Earned Income Credit or other credits for 2021 - these could offset some of the tax liability from your unemployment.
Would filing an offer in compromise be an option for someone in this situation? I've heard that's a way to settle tax debt for less than what's owed if you can prove hardship.
One option nobody mentioned yet - you could also try contacting the Social Security Administration for wage information. They sometimes have records that can help when a company has gone out of business. Their website has a "Request for Social Security Statement" that shows your earnings history. Another thing to consider is if you have your final pay stub from each year. Those often have year-to-date totals that would match your W-2 information. Might be worth checking old emails or bank statements to piece together the information.
I never thought about the Social Security angle! Do they provide the same level of detail as the IRS transcripts would? I don't have my final pay stubs unfortunately - learned my lesson about keeping those records now.
The SSA records won't have the same level of detail as IRS transcripts. They typically just show your earnings that were reported for Social Security purposes, but not tax withholding amounts. IRS wage and income transcripts are definitely more comprehensive for tax filing purposes. If you've already accessed your IRS transcripts, those are your best resource. The Social Security option is more of a backup if you couldn't get the IRS information for some reason.
Has anyone used FreeTaxUSA for prior year returns? I'm in the same boat for 2021 (company closed during pandemic) and wondering if their prior year filing is any good?
I used FreeTaxUSA for 2020 and 2021 returns that I filed late. It was actually really good for prior years - each year costs around $15 for federal (state is extra). The interface for entering W-2 info from transcripts was straightforward, and they have decent support if you get stuck.
Have you checked your tax transcripts online? Sometimes the error codes make a lot more sense when you can see what the IRS actually has on file compared to what you submitted. You can access them through the IRS website if you create an account. Look at the "Return Transcript" and "Wage and Income Transcript" to compare what was reported to the IRS vs what you filed. Usually the discrepancy jumps right out at you.
I tried to access my transcripts online but got locked out after failing the identity verification. I think this might be related to the name change issue mentioned above. Is there another way to get these transcripts?
You can request transcripts by mail using Form 4506-T if the online system isn't working for you. It takes about 10 business days to arrive, but it's better than nothing. Another option is to visit a local Taxpayer Assistance Center in person - just make sure to schedule an appointment first by calling their appointment line. Bring multiple forms of ID including your Social Security card and they can often help sort out identity verification issues on the spot and get you copies of your transcripts.
Whatever you do, don't ignore these errors! I made that mistake and ended up with penalties and interest. The IRS sent letters that I didn't understand so I put them aside, and it turned into a much bigger headache.
Definitely agree. I worked for the IRS for 7 years and the biggest problems were always from people who ignored the initial notices. The good news is they're usually pretty reasonable about removing penalties if you can show you're actively trying to resolve the issues.
Thanks for confirming that. I wish I'd known sooner! I eventually had to hire a tax professional which cost me $450 to straighten everything out, plus I paid about $300 in penalties that probably could have been avoided.
Chloe Martin
Sounds like you're a Highly Compensated Employee (HCE) which triggers these tests. At my company, we implemented a Safe Harbor match (3% of salary) specifically to avoid this problem. One workaround if your company won't do Safe Harbor: consider contributing to a traditional IRA or Roth IRA outside your 401(k). You won't run into the discrimination testing there, and you can still get tax advantages. The limits are lower ($6,500 + $1,000 catch-up if over 50), but it's better than getting your 401(k) contributions returned.
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Freya Andersen
β’That's a great suggestion about the IRA! I never thought about that. If I'm gonna hit the contribution limit issue again next year, maybe I should reduce my 401k and put some in an IRA instead? Would a backdoor Roth make sense in this situation? I've heard about that but don't really understand how it works.
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Chloe Martin
β’Exactly - if you know you'll likely face this issue again, you could contribute just enough to your 401(k) to stay under whatever threshold your plan administrator suggests, then put the rest in an IRA. Regarding backdoor Roth - that's mainly useful if your income exceeds the limits for direct Roth IRA contributions. You'd contribute to a traditional IRA (no deduction) and then convert it to Roth shortly after. It's a perfectly legal workaround for the income limitations, but has some nuances if you have existing traditional IRA balances (pro-rata rule). Would definitely be worth considering if you're over the Roth income limits.
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Diego FernΓ‘ndez
Something similar happened to me and my accountant said it's also important to know WHEN you received the check for tax purposes! If you got it between January-April 2025 but it's for 2024 contributions, it still counts as 2025 income, not 2024. Also, the amount will be reported on your W-2 for 2025, and you'll get a 1099-R showing the distribution. Make sure both numbers match up when you file your taxes.
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Anastasia Kuznetsov
β’Wait really? I thought it would count for the tax year when the original contribution was made. This is getting confusing...
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