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Does anyone know if there's a specific form or worksheet where this health insurance treatment is documented? I've been using a homemade spreadsheet for tracking S Corp basis but would love something more official.

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The IRS doesn't provide an official basis worksheet, which is ridiculous considering how important basis is. Most tax software has built-in basis worksheets though. I use the one in Drake and it handles this healthcare issue correctly.

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Monique Byrd

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I've been dealing with this same issue and want to share what I learned from my research. The confusion often comes from mixing up the accounting treatment vs. the tax treatment. From an S corp perspective: The health insurance premium is deductible as compensation expense on Form 1120S, which reduces the ordinary business income that flows through to shareholders on Schedule K-1. From the shareholder perspective: The premium amount gets added to W-2 wages (subject to income tax but not employment taxes), and then the shareholder can claim the self-employed health insurance deduction on their personal return. The basis impact is indirect - since the S corp deduction reduces the K-1 ordinary income, there's less income flowing through to increase the shareholder's stock basis. So while the premium itself doesn't directly reduce basis like a distribution would, the corporate deduction does result in a smaller basis increase than would otherwise occur. This is why your tax software shows it affecting basis - it's capturing that indirect effect through the reduced pass-through income. Your manager might be thinking of it as a direct basis reduction (which it's not), but the indirect impact through reduced K-1 income is real and should be reflected in basis calculations.

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This is exactly the kind of clear explanation I was looking for! I'm new to dealing with S corp issues and was getting lost in all the technical details. The way you broke down the accounting vs tax treatment really helps me understand why there seemed to be conflicting information online. So if I'm understanding correctly, when people say "health insurance reduces basis," they're really talking about this indirect effect through the reduced K-1 income, not a direct basis adjustment like you'd see with distributions or additional investments. That makes so much more sense now. Is there a particular IRS publication or revenue ruling you'd recommend for someone trying to get up to speed on S corp basis calculations in general? I feel like I need to build a better foundation on this topic.

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Hard Questions About PTP (Publicly Traded Partnership) K-1 Income and UBTI Tax Treatment

Title: Hard Questions About PTP (Publicly Traded Partnership) K-1 Income and UBTI Tax Treatment 1 I've been holding several publicly traded partnerships (PTPs) in both my taxable accounts and IRAs, and I'm trying to understand some nuanced tax implications. These are specialized tax questions about PTPs and their K-1 reporting that I can't seem to find clear answers for anywhere. My specific questions are: 1. If I sell some or all of a PTP and don't repurchase within the same tax year, how does that affect the Line 1 (ordinary income) and Line 20V (UBTI) numbers on my final K-1? 2. What happens if I sell some or all of a PTP position but then rebuy within the same year? How would that affect the Line 1 and Line 20V numbers on my K-1? 3. How does death affect the tax treatment for PTP shares held in taxable accounts versus IRAs? Are there specific inheritance considerations for these investments? From my experience tracking several years of K-1s, I've observed that when no trades are made to PTP holdings in a year, the ordinary income (K-1 Line 1) and UBTI (K-1 Line 20V) amounts correlate to the capital account. On a per-share basis, I've noticed UBTI and income are actually lower if the capital account is higher (or less negative). I mention this because I've received contradictory information from various sources. I'm on the receiving end of 1065 K-1s and don't generate them myself. Any insights on one or more of these questions would be greatly appreciated. Feel free to get as technical as needed!

Keisha Brown

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This is an excellent thread on PTP complexities! One additional consideration that hasn't been fully addressed is the potential for audit risk when dealing with PTPs across multiple account types and partial sales. The IRS has been increasingly scrutinizing PTP reporting, especially UBTI calculations in IRAs. When you have transactions spanning both taxable and tax-advantaged accounts in the same year, it's crucial to maintain detailed documentation showing your allocation methodology. I've found that creating a spreadsheet tracking unit-days for each account type (as Sophie mentioned) is essential, but also documenting the specific allocation method used by each partnership. Some partnerships use the "interim closing of books" method, while others use daily proration - and this can significantly impact how you should allocate income between accounts. For those dealing with Form 990-T filings, remember that you can also claim deductions related to the UBTI-generating activity. This might include management fees or other expenses directly attributable to the PTP holdings in your IRA, which could help reduce the taxable UBTI below the $1,000 threshold. The death benefit question is also worth revisiting - while taxable accounts get step-up in basis, inherited IRAs with PTP holdings continue to generate UBTI for the beneficiary, which is often overlooked in estate planning.

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Ella Lewis

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This is incredibly helpful information about audit risk and documentation requirements! I hadn't considered that different partnerships might use different allocation methods (interim closing vs. daily proration). One question about the deductions you mentioned for Form 990-T - are there specific types of management fees that qualify? My IRA custodian charges various fees, but I'm not sure which ones would be directly attributable to the PTP holdings versus general account maintenance. Also, regarding the estate planning point about inherited IRAs continuing to generate UBTI - does this mean beneficiaries need to be prepared to file Form 990-T even if the original owner never had to? That seems like something most estate planners wouldn't think to warn about.

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Harold Oh

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Great questions about the deductible expenses! For Form 990-T purposes, you can typically deduct fees that are directly connected to the UBTI-generating activity. This would include management fees specifically allocated to PTP holdings, but not general IRA custodial fees. Some custodians provide detailed fee breakdowns that separate investment-specific costs from account maintenance fees - you'd want those specifics. Regarding inherited IRAs with PTPs - yes, this is a huge blind spot in estate planning! Beneficiaries absolutely can be caught off guard by UBTI requirements even if the original owner never filed Form 990-T. This happens because the beneficiary might inherit at a different time in the partnership's income cycle, or the inherited amount combined with their own investments might push them over the $1,000 threshold. I've seen cases where adult children inherited IRA accounts with energy PTPs and had no idea they'd need to file separate tax returns for the IRA until they got nasty letters from the IRS. Estate planners should definitely be flagging this during the planning process, especially since some PTPs are notorious for generating higher UBTI in certain years due to their business activities. The documentation piece Keisha mentioned is absolutely critical - I keep a dedicated folder with all transaction confirmations, K-1s, and my allocation spreadsheets specifically because PTP audits can go back several years.

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This thread has been incredibly educational! As someone new to PTP investments, I'm realizing there's a lot more complexity here than my financial advisor mentioned when recommending these investments for diversification. One thing I'm still unclear on from all the discussion - if I'm just starting out with PTPs and want to avoid the most complicated tax situations, would it be better to hold them only in taxable accounts to avoid the UBTI/Form 990-T complications? Or are there specific types of PTPs that tend to generate less UBTI that might be more suitable for IRA holdings? Also, for someone who hasn't dealt with K-1s before, are there any red flags I should watch for on my first K-1 that might indicate reporting issues or unusually complex allocations? I want to make sure I'm prepared before tax season hits. The documentation requirements everyone's mentioned sound extensive - is there a minimum level of record-keeping that would satisfy IRS requirements, or should I assume I need to track everything down to the daily unit counts like some of you have described?

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Caleb Stark

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Welcome to the PTP world, Katherine! Your questions are spot-on for someone just starting out. Regarding taxable vs IRA holdings - many investors do choose to hold PTPs only in taxable accounts initially to avoid UBTI complications. The tax treatment is actually more straightforward there, and you get the benefit of depreciation deductions that can sometimes create "phantom losses" offsetting the income. However, you'll miss out on tax-deferred growth. If you do want IRA exposure, look for PTPs with historically lower UBTI generation - some pipeline partnerships tend to have more predictable UBTI patterns than oil & gas exploration partnerships. Check the partnership's investor relations materials for historical K-1 data before investing. For K-1 red flags: Watch for late issuance (partnerships have until March 15, but chronic late filers can be problematic), amended K-1s (indicates poor record-keeping), and unusually complex schedules with lots of state-specific allocations. Also be wary if Line 20V (UBTI) amounts seem disproportionately high relative to Line 1 income. For documentation, at minimum keep: all trade confirmations with dates and unit counts, all K-1s, and a simple spreadsheet tracking your ownership periods if you make any mid-year transactions. The daily unit-day calculations only become critical if you're moving between account types or if you get audited. Start simple and expand your tracking as needed. The key is understanding what you're getting into before you invest heavily!

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Liam McGuire

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As a tax professional, I want to emphasize what others have correctly stated - you're completely in the clear! This is a textbook inheritance situation, not a gift tax issue. Since your grandmother passed away and left you the money through her will, this is an inheritance under IRC Section 102(a), which explicitly excludes inherited property from gross income. No Form 709 required, no gift tax penalties, and no reporting obligations on your personal return. The confusion often arises because people think any transfer of money triggers gift tax rules, but the timing is crucial. Pre-death transfers = potential gift tax issues for the giver. Post-death transfers through estate = inheritance with no tax consequences for the recipient. Your grief and stress about losing your grandmother was completely understandable, and ironically, it's exactly why you don't have a tax problem - because the transfer happened after her passing, not before. The only person who might have had filing obligations was the estate's executor, and only if the total estate exceeded the federal exemption (which was $12.92 million in 2023). Rest easy knowing your grandmother's generous bequest won't create any IRS headaches for you!

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Thank you so much @Liam McGuire for the professional perspective! It s'really reassuring to have someone with tax expertise confirm what everyone else has been saying. I have to admit, when I first read the original post, I was getting stressed out just thinking about it because I ve'always been terrified of making mistakes with the IRS. The way you explained the IRC Section 102 a(and) the clear distinction between pre-death and post-death transfers really helps me understand why this isn t'a gift tax situation at all. I had no idea that the timing made such a crucial difference in how these transfers are treated. @Alexander Zeus, I hope reading all these responses has given you the peace of mind you need! It sounds like your grandmother left you a wonderful inheritance without any tax complications attached. Sometimes the things we worry about most turn out to be non-issues, and this seems to be one of those cases.

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I just wanted to add my voice to everyone else's reassurance here - you're absolutely fine! I went through a very similar situation when my grandfather passed and left me some money. I was convinced I'd messed up the taxes somehow and spent weeks worrying about penalties and audits. What really helped me understand the difference was thinking about it this way: gifts happen when someone chooses to give you money while they're alive, inheritances happen when someone has already passed and their estate distributes assets according to their will. The IRS sees these as completely different transactions. Your $60,000 inheritance doesn't require any action from you - no forms to file, no taxes to pay, and definitely no penalties for "late filing" since there was nothing to file in the first place! The fact that you were grieving and dealing with the loss of your grandmother is exactly why this money came to you as an inheritance rather than a gift. I know it's hard not to worry when family members mention tax obligations, but in this case you can put those concerns completely to rest. Your grandmother's bequest was her way of taking care of you, not creating a tax burden. Take comfort in knowing that her final gift to you is truly yours to keep without any IRS complications.

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This thread has been so helpful! As someone who's completely new to understanding tax obligations around inheritances and gifts, I really appreciate how clearly everyone has explained the distinction. @Oliver Fischer, your way of thinking about it - gifts happen while someone's alive vs. inheritances happen after they pass - really makes it click for me. I've always been intimidated by tax issues because they seem so complicated, but breaking it down to that simple timing difference makes it much easier to understand. @Alexander Zeus, I hope all these responses have put your mind at ease! It sounds like your grandmother left you a wonderful legacy, and the last thing she would have wanted was for it to cause you stress. The fact that so many knowledgeable people here are all saying the same thing should give you complete confidence that you're in the clear. It's really reassuring to see a community where people take the time to help each other through these confusing situations. Tax law can feel overwhelming, but having real people explain it in plain terms makes such a difference!

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Axel Far

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I'm confused because my broker definitely sends me tax documents for my Roth IRA every year. Are these not 1099 forms? I assumed I needed them for something.

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They're probably sending you account statements or Forms 5498, not 1099s. The 5498 just confirms your contributions but isn't needed for filing. Check the actual form number at the top - if it says 5498, that's different from a 1099-R (which you'd only get if you took money out).

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Jamal Harris

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@Jasmine is right - you're likely receiving Form 5498 which reports your annual contributions, not a 1099 form. The 5498 arrives around May (after tax season) and is purely informational - you don't need to file it with your taxes. It's just documentation that you contributed to your Roth IRA during the tax year. The only time you'd get a 1099-R from your Roth IRA is if you actually withdrew money from the account, which would need to be reported on your tax return.

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Yuki Sato

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Just to add another perspective - I've been managing Roth IRAs for clients for over 15 years, and the confusion about 1099 forms is super common. The key thing to remember is that Roth IRAs are designed to be "tax-free" on the back end, which means minimal tax reporting while you're in the accumulation phase. You're absolutely correct that you won't get a 1099-R unless you take distributions. The only forms you might see are the Form 5498 (which arrives in May and reports your contributions - keep it for records but don't file it), and potentially a 1099-R if you ever do a Roth conversion from a traditional IRA. Since you're in your early 30s and just contributing regularly without withdrawals, your tax situation with the Roth IRA is beautifully simple - there's essentially nothing to report! That's exactly how it's supposed to work.

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Micah Trail

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This is really helpful to hear from someone with professional experience! I'm glad to know that the simplicity is actually by design. One quick follow-up question - if I ever do decide to do a backdoor Roth conversion in the future (since my income might go up), would that generate additional forms beyond the 1099-R you mentioned? I want to make sure I understand the full picture before I potentially get into that territory.

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Steven Adams

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As someone who's been through multiple partnership AARs in CCH Axcess, I wanted to add a few practical tips that might save you some headaches: First, before you even start the AAR process in CCH, create a spreadsheet tracking all the adjustments by partner and income type. This becomes your master reference and helps catch errors before they make it into the software. I learned this the hard way after having to redo an entire AAR because of calculation mistakes. Second, pay close attention to the CCH workflow for generating the corrected K-1s. The software sometimes doesn't automatically update all the necessary fields when you make adjustments, especially for things like Section 199A information or state-specific items. Always review each K-1 individually rather than assuming CCH got everything right. One thing that caught me off guard on my first AAR - if your partnership has any debt basis adjustments or suspended losses that need to be reallocated along with the income, those calculations can get complex quickly. CCH Axcess doesn't always handle the cascading effects of these adjustments automatically, so you may need to manually verify the debt basis and at-risk calculations for affected partners. Finally, keep a detailed log of every step you take in CCH during the AAR preparation process. If you run into issues or need to recreate the return later, having that documentation is invaluable. The AAR workflow in CCH isn't always intuitive, and it's easy to forget the specific sequence of steps that worked. Hope this helps with your filing!

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Zainab Ahmed

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This is incredibly helpful advice! I'm just starting out with partnership tax work and the spreadsheet tracking idea is brilliant. I can already see how that would prevent the calculation errors you mentioned. Quick question about the debt basis adjustments you brought up - in CCH Axcess, is there a specific screen or module where you can review these cascading effects, or do you have to calculate them manually outside the software? I'm working on a case where we have suspended losses that need to be reallocated along with the income adjustments, and I want to make sure I'm not missing anything. Also, when you mention keeping a log of the CCH workflow steps, do you mean screenshots of each screen, or more like written notes about which menus and options you selected? I'm trying to figure out the best way to document this process for future reference. Thanks for sharing your experience - it's exactly the kind of practical guidance that helps newcomers avoid costly mistakes!

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Ethan Moore

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For debt basis adjustments in CCH Axcess, there isn't a dedicated screen that shows the cascading effects automatically. You'll need to manually track these calculations, which is why that master spreadsheet Steven mentioned is so crucial. I usually create separate tabs for: (1) original allocations, (2) corrected allocations, (3) debt basis impacts, and (4) suspended loss adjustments. In CCH, you can find the partner debt basis information in the K-1 detail screens under "Partner's Capital Account Analysis" and "Partner's Share of Liabilities," but the software won't automatically recalculate how your income reallocations affect these numbers. You'll need to manually verify that partners still have adequate basis to absorb their corrected losses. For documentation, I do both - screenshots of key screens (especially the Form 8082 setup and final K-1 summaries) plus written notes about the menu path and any non-obvious settings. Something like: "Forms Menu > Partnership > Administrative Adj Request > Selected 'Income Reallocation' option > Entered adjustments in Part II, Lines 1-3." The debt basis piece is particularly tricky with AARs because you're essentially unwinding and redoing the basis calculations from the reviewed year. If you have complex suspended losses, you might want to consider getting a second review from someone experienced with partnership basis rules before filing.

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Ethan Davis

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This has been such a helpful thread! I'm dealing with my first partnership AAR and feeling much more confident after reading through everyone's experiences. One additional tip for newcomers working with CCH Axcess - make sure to check the "Print Options" settings before generating your final Form 8082 and K-1s. By default, CCH sometimes excludes certain supplemental statements that are crucial for AARs. Go to File > Print Options and verify that "Include All Statements" is selected, especially if you're making the push-out election that Diego mentioned earlier. Also, I learned the hard way that you should save multiple versions of your AAR return as you work through it. CCH Axcess can be finicky with AARs, and I've had returns corrupt during the preparation process. Save after each major section is completed - it's saved me from having to start over completely. For anyone still struggling with the partner reallocation calculations, I found it helpful to work backwards from the corrected K-1s to verify that everything flows properly to Form 8082. Print draft K-1s first, manually verify the adjustments make sense, then check that those same adjustments appear correctly on the Form 8082 summary. The learning curve is steep, but once you get through your first AAR successfully, the process becomes much more manageable!

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AaliyahAli

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Thank you so much for the print options tip! I'm completely new to partnership tax work and just started working on my first AAR case. This kind of practical advice is exactly what I need. I have a question about the multiple versions suggestion - when you save different versions in CCH Axcess, do you just use "Save As" with different filenames, or is there a version control feature built into the software? I want to make sure I'm protecting my work properly as I go through this process. Also, working backwards from the K-1s is a great idea. I've been getting confused trying to make sure all the numbers tie out between Form 8082 and the individual partner adjustments. Does CCH Axcess have any built-in reconciliation reports that show how the Form 8082 adjustments flow to each partner's K-1, or do you just compare them manually? This community has been incredibly welcoming and helpful for someone just starting out with these complex partnership issues!

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