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Anyone else notice that CPAs always seem to ask for something you didn't bring? No matter how prepared I think I am, my accountant always says "do you have the _____ form?" and I never do lol. For my partnership, the thing I always forget is the information about partner draws throughout the year. If you took any money out of the business for personal use, track all of that carefully!
Great advice from everyone here! As someone who's been through several 1065 filings, I'd add a few more items to bring: - Any Section 179 elections you want to make for equipment purchases (allows you to deduct the full cost in the current year rather than depreciating) - Documentation of any business meals (new rules allow 100% deduction for meals from restaurants through 2022, then back to 50%) - Records of any estimated tax payments made during the year - Information about any rentals paid to partners (office space, equipment) as these need special treatment - Details of any fringe benefits provided to partners Also, since this is your first year, ask your CPA about making an election to use the cash method of accounting if you haven't already - partnerships with average gross receipts under $27M over the past 3 years can usually use cash method, which is simpler for small businesses like yours. One more tip: bring a list of questions! Your CPA fee likely includes reasonable consultation time, so take advantage of their expertise to understand your ongoing compliance requirements.
Anyone know if this also applies to the additional Medicare tax? I'm above the threshold for that too and wondering if that gets handled the same way when switching employers.
The Additional Medicare Tax is handled differently! Unlike regular Social Security tax, there's no refund mechanism if multiple employers cause you to overpay the Additional Medicare Tax. Each employer is required to withhold the 0.9% Additional Medicare Tax on wages they pay you over $200,000, regardless of your filing status or wages from other employers. If your total income doesn't actually exceed the threshold for your filing status, you'll get any overpayment back when you file your tax return. But if your total income does exceed the threshold, you might actually owe more, not less.
This is exactly what happened to me two years ago when I switched from a startup to a big tech company mid-year. The frustrating part is watching your new colleagues celebrate their "SS tax holiday" while you're still getting hit with the full deduction! One thing I learned the hard way - make sure you keep detailed records of your pay stubs from both employers throughout the year. When tax season came around, I had to dig through months of pay stubs to calculate the exact overpayment amount. Having everything organized made the refund process much smoother. Also, if you're using tax software, most of the major ones (TurboTax, H&R Block, etc.) will automatically calculate your excess Social Security tax refund when you enter your W-2 information. They'll flag it and walk you through claiming it on Schedule 3. Just double-check their math - I caught a small error one year that would have cost me about $200. The silver lining is that you essentially get an interest-free loan to the government that you'll get back at tax time. Not ideal, but at least it's not lost money!
Great advice about keeping detailed records! I'm actually going through this exact situation right now and wish I had seen this earlier. Quick question - when you mention that tax software will automatically calculate the excess, does it handle situations where you have bonuses that pushed you over the cap at different times? My compensation is pretty bonus-heavy and I'm worried the timing might complicate things. Also, has anyone dealt with this when one of the employers was a contractor situation (1099) versus W-2? I did some freelance work early in the year before my full-time job and I'm not sure if that affects the Social Security tax calculations.
I've been through this exact situation with my partnership and can tell you that Rev Proc 84-35 denials are frustrating but very fixable if you know what the IRS is actually looking for. The biggest mistake people make is thinking that simply stating "all partners filed timely and reported their income" is enough proof. The IRS wants documented evidence, not just your word. Here's what likely happened with your request: **Common reasons for denial:** - Missing specific partner documentation (Schedule E copies) - Vague language that doesn't precisely match Rev Proc 84-35 requirements - Incomplete partner information (missing filing dates, exact income amounts) - Not properly certifying each element of the relief requirements **What to do now with your CP504B:** 1. Don't panic - this is still very resolvable 2. Call immediately to request a collection hold while you prepare proper documentation 3. Prepare a much more detailed reconsideration package **Key documents for reconsideration:** - Schedule E from each partner's 1040 showing partnership income reported - Signed certification from each partner with their filing date and income amount - Cover letter specifically referencing "Rev Proc 84-35 relief under IRM 20.1.2.3.3.1" - Table summarizing all partner information in one place The good news is that partnerships who truly qualify for this relief almost always get it approved on reconsideration when they provide complete documentation. The IRS just wants ironclad proof you meet the requirements - give them that and you should be fine. Time is critical with a CP504B though, so start gathering documents immediately while you call about the collection hold.
@Luis Johnson This is really comprehensive advice! I m'dealing with a similar situation right now and your breakdown is super helpful. One question - when you mention getting a collection "hold while" preparing the reconsideration, is this something they routinely grant or do you need to make a specific argument for why they should hold collection actions? I m'worried they might say no and proceed with levy actions while I m'still gathering all the partner documentation. Also, roughly how long did your reconsideration process take once you submitted the complete package with all the proper documentation?
@Luis Johnson @Caden Nguyen I can answer the collection hold question from my experience. When you call about a CP504B, you don t need'to make a complex argument for a collection hold - just clearly state that you re preparing'a reconsideration request for penalty relief under Rev Proc 84-35 and need time to gather the required documentation. The IRS representatives are generally familiar with this process and will typically grant a reasonable hold usually 30-60 (days when you) re actively'working on penalty relief. The key is to be specific about what you re doing'- don t just'say I need "more time but rather" I m "preparing'a reconsideration package with partner documentation for Rev Proc 84-35 relief. As for" timing on the reconsideration, mine took about 6-8 weeks from submission to approval once I included all the proper documentation. Make sure to send it certified mail and keep tracking - you can follow up if you don t hear'anything within 60 days. One tip: when you call, ask them to put a note in your account about the collection hold and your pending reconsideration request. This helps if you need to call back or if different IRS departments are reviewing your case.
@Mateo Gonzalez - I completely understand your frustration with this situation. As a fellow small business owner who went through something very similar, I can tell you that Rev Proc 84-35 denials are incredibly common on the first attempt, but they're usually fixable with the right approach. The CP504B escalation sounds scary, but don't let it panic you into making hasty decisions. Here's what I'd recommend doing immediately: **Step 1: Call the IRS today** Use the number on your CP504B notice and specifically request a collection hold while you prepare additional documentation for Rev Proc 84-35 relief. Be clear that you're not disputing that you owe penalties, but that you believe you qualify for statutory relief and need time to provide proper documentation. **Step 2: Identify what went wrong** Most Rev Proc 84-35 requests get denied because the IRS didn't receive adequate proof that ALL partners actually reported their partnership income on timely filed returns. They want concrete evidence, not just statements from your tax professional. **Step 3: Prepare a bulletproof reconsideration package** - Get copies of Schedule E from each partner's Form 1040 showing the partnership income was reported - Create a detailed table with each partner's name, filing date, and exact partnership income amount - Have each partner sign and date a certification statement - Reference "Rev Proc 84-35 relief per IRM 20.1.2.3.3.1" in your cover letter - Send everything certified mail with return receipt The good news is that partnerships who genuinely qualify for this relief almost always get it approved on reconsideration when they provide complete documentation. You just need to give the IRS ironclad proof you meet every requirement. Time is critical with a CP504B, but this is absolutely resolvable if you act quickly and thoroughly. Don't give up on the relief you're entitled to!
@Juan Moreno This is exactly the kind of step-by-step guidance I needed to see! I m'actually in a very similar situation - just received my CP504B after our Rev Proc 84-35 request was denied and I ve'been feeling completely overwhelmed by the whole process. Your breakdown makes it feel much more manageable. I was particularly worried about the collection hold part - I wasn t'sure if they would actually grant that or just tell me to pay up. It s'reassuring to know that requesting a hold while preparing proper documentation is a legitimate and commonly granted request. One quick question - when you mention having each partner sign a certification statement, is there specific language that should be included in those statements, or is it sufficient for them to simply certify that they filed timely and reported their partnership income? I want to make sure we don t'get denied again for missing some technical requirement. Thanks for taking the time to share such detailed advice. It s'really helpful to hear from someone who has actually been through this process successfully!
Remember that gambling income is taxable even if you didn't get a W2G form. The IRS requires you to report ALL gambling winnings, even small amounts. Player cards at casinos can also track your activity.
what about online gambling?
Online casinos still report to IRS if you win over $1,200 in one go. They have your SSN when you signed up.
The IRS gets copies of all W-2G forms that casinos issue for winnings over $1,200 (slots/bingo) or $5,000 (poker tournaments). Your transcript will definitely show these reported amounts even before you file your return. If you had $50k in wins, that's likely already in their system. Best to get your transcript now and see exactly what they have on file - you can request it free directly from IRS.gov. Don't risk penalties by underreporting what they already know about.
This is super helpful info! I'm new here but dealing with a similar situation. Quick question - when you say "get your transcript now", how long does it usually take to receive it? And is there a difference between what shows up on the online transcript vs the mailed version? Want to make sure I'm seeing everything before I file.
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This has been such a comprehensive discussion! As someone who works in tax preparation, I wanted to add a few practical points that might help future filers: If you're using tax software and still want to double-check your formatting, most programs have a "preview" or "form view" option that shows exactly how your return will look when printed or submitted. This is a great way to verify that negative numbers are formatted consistently before filing. Also, for those worried about rejection due to formatting - in my experience, the IRS automated processing systems are quite forgiving with minor formatting variations. Returns are much more likely to be flagged for mathematical errors, missing signatures, or incorrect SSNs than for using minus signs vs. parentheses. That said, following the standard conventions (parentheses for paper forms, letting software handle electronic filing) is always the safest approach. When in doubt, consistency within your own return is more important than perfect adherence to any single format standard. Great job everyone sharing resources and experiences - this kind of community support makes tax season so much less intimidating for newcomers!
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Miguel Alvarez
β’Thanks for adding the professional perspective! The point about using the preview/form view in tax software is really valuable - I hadn't thought to check that before submitting. It's also reassuring to hear from someone in tax prep that formatting variations aren't typically what causes rejections. As a first-time filer, I've been overthinking every little detail and worrying that one small mistake would cause major problems. Your emphasis on consistency within the return makes a lot of sense. I think I've been so focused on finding the "one correct way" that I missed the bigger picture of just being systematic about whatever approach I choose. Really appreciate everyone's patience with these beginner questions. This community has been incredibly helpful for navigating my first US tax filing experience!
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Molly Chambers
Just wanted to share my experience as someone who made this exact mistake last year! I mixed minus signs and parentheses throughout my return because I started filling it out by hand, then switched to software halfway through, and didn't catch the inconsistency. My return got flagged for manual review and took an extra 6 weeks to process. The IRS eventually sent me a letter asking for clarification on several line items - not because the amounts were wrong, but because the inconsistent formatting made their system flag it as potentially having errors. After that experience, I'm super careful about formatting consistency. This year I'm using parentheses throughout (following the advice in this thread) and double-checking everything before I submit. For anyone still unsure - the key takeaway from all these responses seems to be that either format works, but pick one and stick with it consistently across all your forms. The IRS processing systems are designed to handle both, but mixing them can cause unnecessary delays.
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