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This is a great strategy! I'm in a similar situation with W2 income and side business income. One thing to keep in mind is that your Solo 401k contribution limit will be based on your net self-employment income (after expenses and self-employment tax), not the gross $27k. The calculation gets a bit tricky - you'll need to factor in half of your self-employment tax as a deduction. So if your net profit is $27k, your actual contribution limit will be somewhat less. The employee contribution portion is limited to 100% of compensation, and the employer portion is around 20% of net self-employment income after adjustments. Also, make sure to set up the Solo 401k before the end of the tax year if you want to make contributions for that year. The account needs to be established by December 31st, though you have until the tax filing deadline (plus extensions) to actually make the contributions. Rolling over your old 401ks into the Solo 401k is definitely a smart move for keeping your Backdoor Roth strategy clean. Just make sure whatever provider you choose has good investment options and reasonable fees since you'll potentially be consolidating a lot of money there.
This is really helpful info about the net income calculations! I'm new to having self-employment income and wasn't sure how the self-employment tax adjustment worked. Do you happen to know if there are any good calculators or tools that can help figure out the exact contribution limits? I want to make sure I'm maximizing my contributions without going over the limits. Also, regarding the December 31st deadline - does that mean I need to have the account fully funded by then, or just opened? I'm planning to do this for the 2025 tax year and want to make sure I don't miss any important deadlines.
@Sydney Torres You just need to have the Solo 401k account established opened (by) December 31st, not fully funded. You can make contributions up until your tax filing deadline, including extensions - so typically until April 15th of the following year, or October 15th if you file an extension. For calculating exact contribution limits, the taxr.ai tool that @Jamal Carter mentioned earlier is actually really good for this. It handles all the self-employment tax adjustments and shows you exactly how much you can contribute as both employee and employer. The IRS also has worksheets in Publication 560, but honestly the online calculators are much easier to use and less error-prone. One tip: if you re'planning to do this for 2025, start the account setup process early in the year so you have more time to make strategic contributions throughout the year rather than scrambling at the end.
This is exactly the kind of strategic retirement planning that can really pay off in the long run! Your approach of using the Solo 401k to keep your Traditional IRA balance at zero for clean Backdoor Roth conversions is spot on. One additional consideration I'd mention is loan provisions. Unlike Traditional IRAs, Solo 401ks allow you to take loans against your balance (up to 50% or $50,000, whichever is less). This can provide additional flexibility if you ever need access to funds before retirement age, though obviously it should be used carefully. Also, since you're consolidating multiple old 401ks, this might be a good time to review and optimize your overall asset allocation. Having everything in one place makes it much easier to rebalance and avoid overlap in your investment strategy. The fact that your current employer doesn't offer a 401k actually simplifies things significantly - you won't have to worry about coordinating contribution limits across multiple plans or dealing with the complexity of multiple plan administrators.
This is super helpful context about the loan provisions! I had no idea Solo 401ks allowed loans - that's actually a huge advantage over IRAs. Quick question though: if I take a loan from my Solo 401k, does that affect my ability to continue making contributions? And are there any tax implications I should be aware of beyond the obvious need to pay it back? Also, regarding the asset allocation point you made - do most Solo 401k providers offer the same range of investment options as regular 401ks, or are there typically more restrictions? I'm currently spread across like 4 different old 401ks with different fund families and it's a nightmare to manage.
I was in a similar situation with my S corp and almost got nailed in an audit. Even though the instructions for 1125-E say to file it if gross receipts are over $500K, the bigger issue is definitely the lack of reasonable compensation. My accountant now has me document WHY I'm paying myself the amount I do each year with comparable salary data for my industry. This has been super helpful in justifying my compensation decisions.
What kind of documentation do you keep exactly? I'm worried I might be in a similar situation and want to start fixing things the right way.
I keep a detailed compensation analysis file that includes salary surveys from sites like PayScale and Glassdoor for my position/industry, documentation of my actual duties and hours worked, and a written justification for my compensation level that gets updated annually. My CPA also helps me prepare a "reasonable compensation study" that compares my salary to similar businesses in my area and industry. The key is being able to show the IRS that you put thought into the decision rather than just picking an arbitrary number. I also document any changes in responsibilities or business performance that might affect compensation from year to year. It's extra work, but much better than trying to justify your decisions during an audit without any supporting documentation.
Based on this discussion, I'm really concerned about my situation too. I've been running my S corp for 3 years with similar revenue levels but zero officer compensation. Reading about the Watson case and the potential for retroactive reclassification has me pretty worried. I think I need to take action immediately - both filing Form 1125-E correctly (showing $0 compensation) and establishing reasonable compensation going forward. The documentation approach that Andre mentioned sounds like exactly what I need to implement. Has anyone here actually gone through the process of fixing this retroactively? I'm wondering if I should reach out to a tax professional who specializes in S corp compliance or if there are specific steps I should take first. The potential penalties and back taxes are keeping me up at night!
Has anyone actually calculated how much money you're losing by letting the IRS hold your refund? I'll do some quick math... For a $20k refund applied to next year's taxes, at current high-yield savings rates of around 4.5%, you'd be missing out on about $900 in interest over the year. If you invested it and got a 7% return, that's $1,400 lost. That's not even considering the opportunity cost if you needed that money for something important like paying down high-interest debt or making a down payment on something. I made a similar mistake with a smaller amount last year and just let it ride because the hassle of amending didn't seem worth it, but for $20k? I'd definitely go through the trouble to get that money back in my hands.
Thanks for running the numbers! Do those interest calculations account for taxes you'd pay on the earnings? Since interest income is taxable, wouldn't that reduce the actual loss?
You're absolutely right to factor in taxes! For someone in the 22% tax bracket, that 4.5% savings rate becomes about 3.5% after taxes, and the 7% investment return drops to around 5.5%. So the actual opportunity cost would be closer to $700-$1,100 rather than $900-$1,400. Still significant money, but not quite as dramatic. The tax impact definitely matters when you're calculating whether it's worth the hassle of filing an amended return and waiting months for processing.
I went through this exact same situation last year with a $12k refund that I accidentally applied to 2025 taxes. Here's what I learned from the experience: The IRS absolutely does NOT pay interest on refunds you voluntarily apply to future tax years. They only pay interest on delayed refunds that they're required to issue to you directly. I ended up filing Form 1040-X to get my money back, and it took exactly 14 weeks to process. The key things that helped speed it up: 1. I included a cover letter explaining it was an accidental election 2. I highlighted the specific line changes on the 1040-X 3. I sent it certified mail so I had proof of delivery One thing to consider though - if you're going to owe estimated taxes for 2024 anyway, you might want to calculate whether the hassle is worth it. For me, I knew I'd have a much smaller tax liability in 2024, so getting the money back to invest made sense. The amended return process is definitely a pain, but for $20k, I'd absolutely go through with it. That's a significant amount of money that could be working for you instead of sitting with the IRS earning nothing.
Thanks for sharing your experience! 14 weeks is actually pretty reasonable compared to what I've been hearing lately. Did you have to follow up with the IRS at all during those 14 weeks, or did it just process automatically? Also, when you say you highlighted the specific line changes on the 1040-X, do you mean you literally used a highlighter on the paper form, or did you include annotations explaining the changes?
Does anyone know how the new $600 reporting threshold for 1099-K affects online gambling? I heard payment processors now have to report transactions totaling over $600 to the IRS - does this mean my deposits and withdrawals from sportsbooks will trigger tax forms?
The $600 threshold for 1099-K is for payment processors like PayPal, Venmo, etc. - not specifically for gambling sites. However, this could indirectly affect you if you're using these services to deposit or withdraw from betting sites. The gambling sites themselves have different reporting thresholds. They issue W-2G forms for winnings over $600 where the odds were at least 300-1, or for other winning amounts that hit specific thresholds. Remember though, even without any tax forms, you're still legally required to report ALL gambling winnings as income, regardless of amount. The forms are just reporting mechanisms, not triggers for tax liability.
The bonus money situation is tricky, but here's what I learned from my tax preparer last year: You're right that there's a distinction between your actual money and bonus funds, but the IRS doesn't really care about that distinction when it comes to reporting. What matters is when the bonus becomes "yours" - which happens when you complete the wagering requirements and can withdraw it. At that point, any remaining bonus amount becomes taxable income. If you lose it all during the wagering process, then there's no income to report from that bonus. For losses, you can deduct gambling losses up to your total gambling winnings for the year, but only if you itemize. The IRS doesn't distinguish between losses from your money vs bonus money - they look at the total amount you had at risk. My advice: Keep detailed records of every deposit, bonus received, wagering requirement completion, and final withdrawal amounts. Screenshot everything because sportsbooks sometimes have limited history available. Also remember that even small winnings without tax forms still need to be reported as income.
This is really helpful! I've been stressing about this exact situation. Just to clarify - if I get a $50 bonus that requires $200 in wagering, and I end up losing $150 during that wagering process but still have $50 left that becomes withdrawable, I would report that remaining $50 as income even though I'm net negative overall on that promotion? And then I could potentially deduct the $150 in losses elsewhere on my return if I itemize?
Steven Adams
I had this exact same issue last month! The Michigan Treasury system has a weird quirk where even after you file electronically, there's usually a 3-5 business day lag before their portal updates to show you have access to your tax year information. Since you filed last Thursday and it's been about a week, you should be getting access soon. The "Yes" selection for filing status doesn't override their internal processing status - it's more like a verification question that doesn't actually grant immediate access. Try checking again tomorrow morning, and if you're still locked out by Wednesday, definitely call their support line. The estimated payments section should unlock automatically once your return fully processes in their system.
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Anastasia Smirnova
ā¢this is super helpful! i was getting worried there was something wrong with my filing. good to know its just their system being slow to update š
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Aisha Khan
I work with tax processing systems and can confirm this is normal behavior for Michigan's eServices portal. The "You do not have access to view 2024 Tax Year information" message is their standard response during the processing window, regardless of what you select for filing status. Since you e-filed through TurboTax last Thursday, you're right in that 5-7 business day processing window where Michigan validates and integrates your return into their system. The estimated payments section will automatically become accessible once your return clears their processing queue - usually by end of this week for e-filed returns. If you're still blocked by Friday, then I'd recommend calling their support line at that point.
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