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I think the IRS intentionally makes these forms confusing lol. Has anyone had their Form 8802 rejected? How long did it take to get a response? I'm supposed to start a position in Korea in 6 weeks and I'm worried about timing.

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Mine took exactly 4 weeks from submission to receiving the certificate. My friend who applied around the same time but had some discrepancies between his application and tax returns had his rejected after about 3 weeks, then had to resubmit with corrections. The IRS is actually fairly quick with these compared to other services. If you're in a real rush, there's an expedited process, but you need to provide proof of urgency (like a letter from your employer with a deadline).

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Layla Mendes

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I went through this exact same nightmare with Form 8802 about 6 months ago! For line 4a when you check "Individual," you literally just need to write your full name exactly as it appears on your most recent tax return - nothing more, nothing less. Don't add your SSN, don't add extra info, just your name. Since you're working for a Singapore company, make sure you're also including copies of your most recently filed 1040 and any relevant schedules (like Schedule C if you have any self-employment income). The IRS uses this to verify your U.S. tax residency status for the foreign tax authority. One tip that saved me - call the IRS practitioner priority line if you get stuck. The regular customer service line is useless, but the practitioner line (even though you're not technically a practitioner) sometimes gets you through to someone who actually knows about international forms. Good luck with your deadline!

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Justin Trejo

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This is super helpful! I had no idea there was a practitioner priority line. Do you happen to know the number for that line? I've been trying the regular customer service number and like you said, it's been completely useless. Also, when you say "exactly as it appears on your tax return" - does that include middle initials if that's how you filed, or just first and last name?

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Mae Bennett

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The practitioner priority line is 866-860-4259, but heads up - they might ask if you're an enrolled agent or CPA. I just said I was calling on behalf of a client (which is technically true since you're your own client, right?). For the name on line 4a, include everything exactly as it appears - so if you filed with your middle initial, include it. If you used your full middle name, use that. The IRS computer system matches character by character, so "John A. Smith" is different from "John Smith" to them. I learned this the hard way when my first application got delayed because I abbreviated my middle name differently than on my 1040. Also make sure you're looking at the "name" field on line 1 of your 1040, not the signature line - sometimes people sign differently than they fill out the form.

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Sarah Ali

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Has anyone actually asked your adoption agency or the state Medicaid office about this? When we adopted our son from foster care, we contacted our state Medicaid office directly and they had a whole packet about how adoption assistance and Medicaid work with private insurance. Each state can have slightly different rules.

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Ryan Vasquez

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This is good advice. I work in healthcare billing and the rules about coordinating Medicaid with private insurance vary by state. In some states, Medicaid is always the payer of last resort, meaning your private insurance would need to be billed first for any services, and then Medicaid would pick up remaining costs. This coordination could affect how you plan your HSA usage.

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Norah Quay

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Congratulations on your adoption! This is such a wonderful thing you're doing. I went through a similar situation with my nephew who we adopted from foster care last year. One thing I learned that might help you - make sure to keep detailed records of which medical expenses you pay with your HSA versus which ones are covered by Medicaid for your adopted children. I created a simple spreadsheet tracking this because come tax time, you'll want to be able to show that you only used HSA funds for eligible expenses. Also, don't forget that even though your adopted kids will have Medicaid, there might still be some medical expenses that aren't fully covered - things like certain therapies, dental work, or vision care that go beyond basic coverage. For those expenses, you'd need to pay out of pocket (not from your HSA) unless you add them to your HDHP coverage later. One last tip - if your adopted children have any ongoing medical needs from their time in foster care, document everything thoroughly. This will help with both the adoption tax credit and potentially qualifying for additional state benefits down the road.

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Thank you for sharing your experience! The spreadsheet idea is brilliant - I hadn't thought about how important that documentation will be come tax time. Can I ask what categories you tracked in your spreadsheet? Just the expense type and amount, or did you include other details like which child it was for and the payment method? Also, your point about uncovered medical expenses is really helpful. We know one of the children has some dental needs that might require orthodontics down the line. It's good to know we should budget for those potential out-of-pocket costs separately from our HSA planning.

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AstroAce

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In my experience selling a similar property, Form 4797 is your friend. You'll need to use this form to report the sale of business property, which includes the rental portion. For the primary residence part, you'll use Schedule D and Form 8949. The trick is making sure the allocation method is reasonable and consistent. My CPA recommended documenting EVERYTHING about how we determined the split. Also, don't forget to account for any improvements made specifically to one unit or the other! If your mom renovated just her apartment, that would adjust the basis differently than improvements to the rental unit.

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Chloe Martin

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This is so confusing! Does your mom need to file all these extra forms even if her total gain after the allocation might be under the $250k exclusion? Seems like a lot of paperwork for possibly no additional tax...

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Lara Woods

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You're dealing with a classic mixed-use property situation, and yes, you're absolutely right that you need to treat this as essentially two separate properties for tax purposes. Here's what you need to know: **Allocation Method**: Use a reasonable method to split the property - square footage is most common, but you could also use fair market value of each unit or number of rooms. Whatever method you choose, document it thoroughly and be consistent. **Primary Residence Portion**: Your mom can claim the Section 121 exclusion (up to $250,000) on the gain allocated to her primary residence portion, assuming she meets the ownership and use tests (lived there 2 of the last 5 years). **Rental Portion**: This is where it gets tricky. You'll need to: - Calculate the adjusted basis (original cost basis minus accumulated depreciation) - Report any gain on Form 4797 (Sale of Business Property) - Pay depreciation recapture tax at 25% on the depreciation previously claimed - Any remaining gain above the recapture amount gets taxed at capital gains rates **Key Point**: Even if your mom never actually claimed depreciation on her tax returns, the IRS assumes she should have, so you'll still need to recapture the "allowable" depreciation. I'd strongly recommend getting a tax professional involved given the complexity, especially since there are specific rules about mixed-use properties that can trip people up.

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This is really helpful! One question about the "allowable" depreciation - if mom's accountant didn't claim the full amount they could have claimed each year, does the IRS still make you recapture the maximum allowable amount? Or just what was actually claimed on the returns? I'm worried we might be on the hook for more depreciation recapture than what was actually taken as a deduction.

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Maya Patel

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Quick tip: make sure you're correctly classifying people as contractors vs employees. This is my biggest nightmare as a business owner. If you're telling them WHEN, WHERE and HOW to do the work, the IRS might consider them employees, not contractors. The difference matters ALOT because for employees you need to withhold taxes, pay unemployment insurance, etc. For contractors you just send a 1099. Getting this wrong can result in huge penalties and back taxes!

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This is so important! I got audited last year because I misclassified someone. Look up the IRS 20-factor test for determining worker status. Saved me from making the same mistake again this year.

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Maya Patel

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Exactly! The 20-factor test is a good starting point, but the IRS has somewhat simplified it into three main categories to consider: Behavioral Control (do you control how they do their work?), Financial Control (do they have their own business expenses, tools, etc.?), and Relationship Type (written contracts, benefits, ongoing relationship). If you're at all unsure, you can file Form SS-8 with the IRS to get a determination. It takes a while to get a response, but it's better than guessing wrong and facing penalties. Another option is to run the scenario by a tax professional who specializes in this area - well worth the consultation fee for peace of mind.

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Great advice from everyone here! I'm actually dealing with a similar situation right now where I have about 6 subcontractors for a large project. One thing I learned the hard way is to get those W-9 forms BEFORE you make any payments, not after. I made the mistake of paying two contractors first and then asking for their W-9s later - one of them completely ghosted me and the other took weeks to respond. Now I'm scrambling to get the paperwork sorted before year-end. Also, keep detailed records of exactly what services each contractor provided and when. The IRS can ask for this documentation if there are any questions about your 1099 filings. I use a simple project tracking spreadsheet that includes dates, amounts, and description of work performed for each contractor. Makes tax time so much easier!

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This is such valuable advice! I'm completely new to this whole process and hadn't even thought about the timing of getting W-9s vs payments. That's a rookie mistake I definitely would have made. Quick question - when you say "detailed records of services," how specific do you need to be? Like is "web development work" enough or do you need to break it down further like "frontend development for project X, phase 2"? I want to make sure I'm documenting everything properly from the start. Also, did you end up having any issues with the contractor who ghosted you? I'm worried about what happens if I can't get a W-9 from someone after I've already paid them.

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Sofia Torres

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Some additional info that might help you - the Annual Lease Value recalculation is also important if you're close to any income-based thresholds. When my ALV was finally recalculated after 5 years, it dropped my MAGI enough that I qualified for a partial Roth IRA contribution that I wasn't eligible for before. Make sure your employer understands they need to use a legitimate valuation method for determining the car's current FMV. Our company initially tried to use an arbitrary "50% of original value" which wasn't accurate for our specific vehicle. Kelley Blue Book or NADA guides are what the IRS expects them to use. Also, if they've been calculating it wrong for a while, you might want to consider if an amended return for last year makes sense depending on how much the value changed.

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Thanks for this additional perspective! I hadn't even thought about how this might affect other aspects of my tax situation like Roth eligibility. My MAGI has been just slightly above the phaseout range, so this could make a real difference. Do you know if KBB private party value or trade-in value is more appropriate for the FMV calculation? My car has some minor cosmetic damage that wouldn't show up in standard valuations.

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Sofia Torres

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For FMV calculations related to Annual Lease Value, the IRS generally wants something closest to retail value (what you'd pay to buy that car from a dealer), not private party or trade-in. However, if your car has specific condition issues, those can be factored in. The IRS just wants a reasonable and defensible valuation method. If your MAGI is near the Roth phaseout threshold, this recalculation could definitely push you into eligibility. In my case, it dropped my taxable income by about $4,100 annually, which was enough to make a significant difference for my Roth contributions. Definitely worth looking at the bigger tax picture beyond just the immediate paycheck impact!

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An important detail that nobody has mentioned yet - when your company recalculates the Annual Lease Value, make sure they use the REDUCED value for the ENTIRE calendar year, not just from the point they make the correction. My company initially only applied the new lower value from July onward (when I brought it to their attention) but the IRS rules clearly state the redetermination applies for the whole year. Had to have another conversation with payroll to get them to apply it retroactively to January. Also worth noting - if you're still with the same employer and using the same car in 4 more years, you'll get ANOTHER recalculation at the 8-year mark. The value keeps stepping down as the car ages.

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Does anyone know if this also applies to leased vehicles that companies provide? My situation is slightly different because my employer doesn't own the car, they lease it and then let me use it. Still shows up on my W2 though.

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