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CyberNinja

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I work in a university bursar's office (not at your school) and I can tell you that your school's stance is unusual but not unheard of. One workaround that sometimes helps: check any financial documents you received from them - sometimes the EIN appears on receipts, financial aid award letters, or even in the footer of official correspondence. Also, try calling and specifically asking for the "accounts payable" or "vendor relations" department instead of student services. These departments often have the EIN readily available since other businesses need it for their own tax purposes when paying the school.

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Mateo Lopez

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This is really smart advice. I had a similar issue with a training program I did, and I found their EIN buried in the fine print of my enrollment agreement. Worth digging through all paperwork they ever sent you!

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I went through this exact same headache last year with my online certification program! Here's what ultimately worked for me after trying everything else mentioned here: First, I did find success with the IRS Tax Exempt Organization Search that Omar mentioned - but you have to try different variations of the school name. My school went by an abbreviated name with students but was registered under their full legal name with "LLC" at the end. If that doesn't work, there's another angle: check if your school is accredited by a recognized accrediting body. You can often find their EIN through the accreditor's database or the Department of Education's database of accredited institutions. One thing to keep in mind - even if you use the zeros method that others mentioned, make sure you're claiming the right credit or deduction. At $14,500 in tuition and depending on your income, the Lifetime Learning Credit could save you up to $2,000, which is probably better than the tuition deduction. The American Opportunity Tax Credit unfortunately doesn't apply to graduate programs. Also, keep detailed records of everything - not just payment receipts but also your enrollment verification, course syllabi, and any communication with the school about their refusal to provide the EIN. This documentation will be crucial if the IRS has any questions later.

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Serene Snow

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The syllabi help prove the coursework was legitimate and qualified for education credits - they show course content, credit hours, and that it's degree-seeking education rather than personal interest courses. The IRS occasionally requests this if they're reviewing education credits. From what I've seen in my experience working with tax clients, if you file with proper documentation showing you made reasonable efforts to obtain the EIN (like emails to the school refusing to provide it), the IRS typically accepts the filing even if they can't immediately verify the institution. They're more concerned with fraudulent claims than paperwork issues beyond your control. That said, penalties are rare in these situations as long as you have legitimate expenses and documentation. The worst case scenario is usually just having to provide additional proof that your payments were for qualified education expenses, which your receipts and enrollment records would cover. Keep everything organized and you should be fine!

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NeonNebula

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Great question about the documentation! The course syllabi help establish that your expenses were for qualified education - the IRS wants to see that you were enrolled in courses leading to a degree or credential, not just random training. Other useful docs include your transcript, degree plan, and any official correspondence confirming your enrollment status. Regarding penalties - if you make a good faith effort to comply (like keeping thorough records and following the methods discussed here), you're generally protected from penalties even if there are minor issues later. The IRS distinguishes between honest mistakes and willful non-compliance. As long as you can show you paid legitimate tuition expenses for qualified education and made reasonable attempts to get the school's EIN, you should be fine. That said, if you're really worried about it, you might consider calling the IRS directly (using Claimyr or just waiting on hold) to get official guidance specific to your situation. Having a record of that conversation can provide extra peace of mind.

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StarStrider

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I might be an outlier, but my experience with a 520/971 code combination last year was relatively quick. I filed on January 28th, got those codes by February 10th, and still received my refund on February 27th. It seems that sometimes these reviews are just procedural checks that don't necessarily take the full 45 days. I'm not saying this will be your experience, of course, as each case is different, but I thought sharing a positive outcome might help ease your mind a bit.

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Mei Zhang

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I'm going through the exact same thing right now! Got my 520 code on 02/28/2025 and 971 code on 03/05/2025. Like you, I'm stressed about the timing because I have some major expenses coming up. What's really frustrating is that I've filed basically the same return for the past 4 years - same job, same deductions, just minor changes in income. The only difference this year is I claimed the Child Tax Credit for my 2-year-old for the first time. Reading through everyone's experiences here is actually making me feel a bit better though. It sounds like most people are getting their refunds in the 3-4 week range rather than the full 45 days. I'm going to try calling this week to see if they can give me any specifics about what they're reviewing. Fingers crossed we both get good news soon!

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StarGazer101

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Just as an FYI - if you use the annualized income method (Form 2210), make sure you keep REALLY good documentation. I did this last year after a big stock sale in Q2 and got a penalty notice anyway because the IRS initially processes everything assuming equal payments. Had to call and explain the situation.

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What kind of documentation did you end up sending them? I'm worried because I just had a similar situation and want to be prepared if they question it.

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Libby Hassan

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I had to send them copies of my brokerage statements showing the exact sale dates, Form 2210 with my calculations, and a letter explaining that I used the annualized income installment method because my gains were concentrated in Q2. Also included my quarterly payment confirmations showing I paid the correct amounts based on when I received the income. The key is showing that your payments matched the timing of when you actually earned the income, not just making equal payments throughout the year.

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CosmicCadet

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Thanks everyone for the detailed responses! This is incredibly helpful. I've been stressing about this since the sale went through in January. Based on what you've all shared, it sounds like I have two main options: 1. Split the payments equally across four quarters (~$65k each for federal, plus the Washington state portion) 2. Use the annualized income installment method since all my gains happened in Q1 I'm leaning toward the annualized method since it seems more accurate for my situation, but I'm definitely going to keep detailed documentation as @StarGazer101 mentioned. One follow-up question - for the Washington state capital gains tax that @Yara mentioned ($73,500 on the amount over $250k), do they follow the same quarterly schedule as federal? And can I use the annualized method for state taxes too? Also going to check out both taxr.ai and potentially use Claimyr to get official IRS confirmation. With amounts this large, I'd rather be 100% certain I'm doing everything correctly. Better safe than sorry!

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Jamal Harris

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Welcome to the community! For Washington state's capital gains tax, yes they do follow the same quarterly payment schedule as federal (April 15, June 15, September 15, and January 15). You can absolutely use the annualized income installment method for Washington state taxes too, which makes sense given your situation with all gains in Q1. Since you're new to dealing with large capital gains, I'd definitely recommend getting that IRS confirmation through Claimyr - especially with both federal and state obligations totaling over $330k. Having official guidance will give you confidence you're handling everything properly. The annualized method sounds like the right approach for your situation, but documentation will be key if either jurisdiction questions your calculations later.

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Dylan Hughes

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I was in a very similar situation last year, but with a much smaller refund than most people here (only about $600). Even with that small amount, the waiting and uncertainty was incredibly stressful. What helped me was setting up a payment plan for my medical bills while waiting for the refund. Many medical providers will work with you if you explain the situation - I was able to make a small down payment and then pay the rest when my refund finally arrived. Much less stressful than watching WMR every day! My return was in limbo for about 5 weeks total before suddenly processing and depositing. No explanation for the delay was ever provided.

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I completely understand your frustration - this waiting period is incredibly stressful, especially when you have important expenses coming up. Based on what you've described, your situation sounds very typical of what many filers are experiencing this year. The disappearance of Tax Topic 152 after 21 days often indicates your return is moving between processing stages rather than indicating a problem. A few things that might help while you wait: • Try checking your transcript early in the morning (around 6 AM) when the system updates • Consider reaching out to your medical provider about payment plan options - many are understanding about tax refund delays • Document your filing date and acceptance confirmation in case you need to reference it later The "still processing" message is unfortunately the IRS's default response when returns are in the verification queue. Since you filed on 2/17 and it's now been over 21 days, you could try calling the IRS, though as others mentioned, wait times are brutal right now. Hang in there - based on the experiences shared here, it seems like most people in similar situations eventually get their refunds processed, it just takes longer than the advertised 21 days.

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I think most people misunderstand REPS. The key issue is "material participation" in rental activities. Being a realtor counts for the 750 hours but NOT for material participation in your rentals. The exception is if you make a grouping election as others mentioned. Your CPA should know this but many don't understand real estate tax rules well. Just FYI - I got audited on this exact issue in 2023. The IRS was looking specifically at REPS claims. Make sure you have a detailed time log showing hours for EACH activity. After-the-fact estimates won't cut it in an audit.

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StarSurfer

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Which form do you use to make the grouping election? Is it something specific or just a statement attached to your return?

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Brian Downey

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Based on my experience dealing with REPS qualifications, your tax preparer may be being overly conservative. As a full-time realtor, you likely already meet the first two REPS requirements (750+ hours and 50%+ of working time in real estate). The critical piece is making the grouping election to treat all your rental activities as one activity. This election is made by attaching a statement to your tax return - there's no specific IRS form for it. The statement should clearly indicate you're electing to group all rental real estate activities under IRC Section 469(c)(7)(A). With this election, you can combine your time spent on the 3 self-managed properties with time spent overseeing the other 15 properties (reviewing reports, making decisions, communicating with property managers, etc.) to meet the material participation test. I'd recommend getting a second opinion from a CPA who specializes in real estate taxation. Many general tax preparers aren't familiar with the nuances of REPS, especially the grouping election strategy. The potential tax savings make it worth exploring further. Also, start keeping detailed time logs NOW for 2025 - document every hour spent on rental activities, no matter how small. This contemporaneous documentation is crucial if you're ever audited.

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