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Sophia Bennett

$10k in late S Corp Filing Penalties for 4 years - can I fight these?

Just finished catching up on all my taxes (both personal and business) and got slammed with S Corp Filing Penalties for four years straight, adding up to about $10,000. The penalties for 2019 and 2020 have already gone to collections, and I just filed for 2021 and 2022 so those notices are probably heading my way soon. I'm freaking out about this amount and wondering if there's any way to reduce these penalties. Has anyone successfully fought these kinds of penalties? Is first time abatement an option, or maybe penalty relief for reasonable cause? I feel like I'm probably screwed on the first time abatement since I have multiple years of late filings. The S Corp had minimal activity during these years as I was focusing on a different business, but I know that's not really an excuse. I basically dropped the ball completely on these filings until my accountant flagged it this year. Any advice from someone who's been through this nightmare before? I'm willing to call the IRS and beg if that might help!

Aiden Chen

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S Corp penalties can be brutal, but you do have some options! The IRS offers a First Time Penalty Abatement (FTA) that might help with at least one of those years. For FTA to apply, you need to have had no penalties for the three years prior to the first year you're requesting abatement for. Even if you don't qualify for FTA, you can still request penalty relief based on reasonable cause. The IRS considers factors like serious illness, death in family, natural disasters, inability to obtain records, or bad advice from a tax professional. You'll need to write a detailed letter explaining your situation and providing any supporting documentation. For the years that went to collections, you'll need to work with the collection agency, but you can still request penalty abatement from the IRS directly. Don't give up without trying! Many people successfully get these penalties reduced or eliminated.

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Zoey Bianchi

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Does reasonable cause ever include things like "business was barely operating" or "I was focusing on other work"? Or are they pretty strict about what counts?

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Aiden Chen

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The IRS typically doesn't consider "business was barely operating" as reasonable cause by itself. They expect all businesses, regardless of activity level, to meet filing requirements as long as the entity exists. For "focusing on other work," that's generally not considered reasonable cause either. The IRS views tax filing obligations as a priority responsibility for business owners, regardless of other commitments.

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Does it actually work for collection cases that have already gone to collections? Mine are with a debt collector now and they're super aggressive.

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Grace Johnson

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How much does it cost though? I'm already drowning in penalties so if it's expensive I'm not sure I can swing it...

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Yes, it absolutely works for collection cases. The system has a specific workflow for penalties that have already been transferred to collections. It generates separate letters - one for the IRS to approve the abatement and another for the collection agency. It basically forces coordination between them. The cost is very reasonable compared to what you'd pay a tax attorney for the same service. It's a fraction of what you stand to save if you get the penalties reduced or eliminated. I felt the same way about expenses but realized it was worth the investment when looking at potentially saving thousands.

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Just wanted to update after trying taxr.ai from the comment above. I was super skeptical at first, but holy crap it actually worked! I uploaded my penalty notices, answered some questions about my situation, and the system generated this super detailed letter with all these specific IRS procedural references. It even highlighted something I didn't know - that there was a processing delay at the IRS service center that handled S Corps during one of the years I was penalized, which qualified as reasonable cause! I submitted the letter they generated and got two of my four years completely abated, which saved me over $5k! The collections agency actually put a hold on my account while the abatement request is being processed for the other years. Feeling hopeful for the first time in months!

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Jayden Reed

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Nora Brooks

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Wait seriously? How does that even work? The IRS phone system is notoriously horrible. I've spent entire days trying to get through.

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Eli Wang

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Sounds like a scam honestly. Nobody can "skip" the IRS queue. They probably just keep redialing and got lucky. Waste of money if you ask me.

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Jayden Reed

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Eli Wang

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I fought S Corp penalties a few years ago and won most of them. Here's what worked for me: For the FTA (First Time Abatement), you're right that it only works for one tax year, typically the earliest one. But for reasonable cause, there are some arguments that work better than others for S Corps specifically. I argued business hardship + lack of knowledge of filing requirements as a new S Corp owner for one year, and death in the family + natural disaster (there was a flood in my area) for another year. The key is to be VERY specific in your letter and provide any documentation you can. Don't just say "I didn't know" - explain exactly why and how your circumstances prevented timely filing.

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Thanks for sharing! For the business hardship argument, did you have to provide financial records to back that up? And for the "lack of knowledge" part, did they accept that even though technically ignorance of tax law isn't supposed to be an excuse?

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Yes, I provided profit and loss statements showing significant business downturns during the relevant periods. I also included documentation of employee layoffs and reduced operations. This helped demonstrate that the business was truly struggling and not just trying to avoid filing obligations. For the "lack of knowledge" argument, I was careful not to frame it as simple ignorance. Instead, I demonstrated reasonable efforts to comply with tax laws, including hiring a bookkeeper who unexpectedly quit mid-year, and documented attempts to research requirements. The IRS is more receptive when you show you tried to comply but faced obstacles, rather than claiming you simply didn't know.

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Has anyone tried the Reasonable Cause Assistant on the IRS website? I just discovered it exists but wondering if it's actually helpful for S Corp penalties or mostly for individual tax stuff.

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I tried it for my S Corp penalties but it was pretty basic. It's more geared toward individual taxpayers and simple penalties. For complex business penalties, especially multiple years, you need a more sophisticated approach with specific citations of tax code and procedural guidelines.

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Thanks for letting me know. I'll probably skip that and go straight to the letter approach then. Just trying to avoid paying for professional help if I can handle it myself.

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Paolo Romano

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I'm dealing with a similar situation right now - about $8k in S Corp penalties across three years. After reading through all these responses, I'm feeling more hopeful that there might be options. One thing I wanted to add is that you should definitely request your penalty computation worksheets from the IRS before you submit any abatement requests. Sometimes there are calculation errors or the penalties weren't applied correctly in the first place. I've heard of people getting significant reductions just by having the IRS recalculate properly. Also, for anyone considering the AI tools mentioned here - make sure you understand exactly what you're getting. While they might help generate letters, you still need to understand your specific situation and provide accurate information. The IRS will want supporting documentation for any claims you make. Has anyone tried working directly with the Taxpayer Advocate Service for these types of penalty issues? I'm wondering if that's worth exploring before going the paid service route.

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Paolo Bianchi

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Great point about requesting the penalty computation worksheets! I didn't know that was an option. How do you go about requesting those - is it just a simple phone call to the IRS or do you need to submit a formal request? The Taxpayer Advocate Service is definitely worth exploring. They're supposed to help when you're experiencing financial hardship or when normal IRS processes aren't working. Given that you have $8k in penalties and multiple years involved, you might qualify for their assistance. The best part is it's completely free, unlike the paid services mentioned here. I'd probably try TAS first before going the paid route, especially since they have experience dealing with exactly these types of systemic penalty issues.

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StarStrider

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I went through almost the exact same situation two years ago - $9k in S Corp penalties across multiple years with two already in collections. It felt completely overwhelming at first, but I was able to get about 70% of the penalties abated. Here's what actually worked for me: I started by requesting my account transcripts and penalty computation worksheets to make sure everything was calculated correctly (found one error that saved me $800 right there). Then I submitted a combination approach - FTA for the earliest eligible year and reasonable cause letters for the others. For reasonable cause, I focused on specific events that prevented timely filing rather than general business struggles. In my case, I had a key employee leave unexpectedly who handled all the tax prep, plus some health issues that year. The key was providing detailed documentation and being very specific about how these events directly prevented me from meeting the filing deadline. The collections cases were trickier but not impossible. I had to work with both the IRS and the collection agency, but once the IRS approved the abatement, the collections were resolved too. Don't give up! These penalties seem insurmountable but there are definitely options. Start with getting your account transcripts and penalty worksheets, then build your case from there.

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Yara Sayegh

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This is incredibly helpful! I'm in almost the exact same boat as you were. Quick question about the account transcripts and penalty computation worksheets - did you find errors in how they calculated the penalties themselves, or was it more about timing/dates being wrong? Also, when you say you had to work with both the IRS and collection agency for the penalties already in collections, what was the process like? Did you have to get the collection agency to agree to pause collection efforts while the IRS reviewed your abatement request, or did they continue pursuing collection during the review? Thanks for sharing your success story - it's giving me hope that this nightmare might actually be resolvable!

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Angelina Farar

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@StarStrider This gives me so much hope! I'm facing a similar nightmare with $10k across four years. Can you share more details about the documentation you provided for the employee leaving and health issues? I'm trying to figure out what level of proof the IRS actually expects. Also, roughly how long did the whole process take from when you first submitted your abatement requests to getting the final resolution? I'm trying to set realistic expectations for myself since the collections agencies are breathing down my neck. Your 70% success rate is amazing - that would be life-changing for me right now!

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JaylinCharles

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I've been following this thread closely since I'm dealing with similar S Corp penalty issues ($7k across three years). The variety of approaches and success stories here are really encouraging! One thing I wanted to add based on my research is that the IRS has specific procedures for S Corp penalty abatement that are different from individual tax penalties. There's actually an internal memo (IRM 20.1.5.16) that gives IRS agents guidance on when to approve reasonable cause for business penalties, and it's more flexible than most people realize. Also, for anyone considering the various services mentioned here, I'd recommend starting with the free options first. The Taxpayer Advocate Service really can be helpful for cases involving multiple years and significant financial impact. I submitted a TAS case last month and got assigned an advocate who's been super responsive and knowledgeable about S Corp penalties specifically. The key thing I've learned is that the IRS actually wants to work with taxpayers who are making good faith efforts to resolve these issues. They'd rather get some payment and compliance than deal with prolonged collection efforts. The trick is knowing how to present your case in a way that fits their guidelines. Has anyone here had experience with installment agreements while penalty abatement requests are being processed? That might be another angle to explore for managing the financial pressure while fighting the penalties.

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