Need help with back taxes from 2016-2021 - huge penalties while unemployed - Working with IRS low income tax clinic
I'm in a really tough spot and could use some advice... I previously ran a small business but didn't file taxes for several years, and now I'm drowning in tax debt. The worst is from 2021 when I made about $76k on a single crypto transaction, and now I owe almost $76k for that year alone. My situation now is pretty dire - only getting $100/week in unemployment benefits after my business closed in 2020 (covid hit us hard), plus dealing with major damage to my home from a flood last year. The IRS low income tax clinic is helping me, and they suggested filing penalty abatements for each tax year I owe (2016, 2017, 2018, and 2021). I have a friend willing to give me a personal loan to cover the principal amount, but he wants me to try getting the penalties removed first. I can't afford a lawyer, so I'm lost on how to properly fill out the penalty abatement forms to send to my IRS low income case manager. I started trying to relaunch my business last month, so I'm not eligible for an Offer in Compromise. Any advice on how to approach the penalty abatement request would be so appreciated. I'm desperate to get this resolved and move forward with my life.
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Madeline Blaze
I've worked with many clients in similar situations. First, you're on the right track by working with the Low Income Taxpayer Clinic (LITC) - they're an excellent resource. For penalty abatement, you'll likely need to complete Form 843 "Claim for Refund and Request for Abatement." The key is clearly documenting your reasonable cause for not filing/paying on time. In your situation, focus on: 1. The business closure due to COVID-19 2. The natural disaster affecting your home 3. Any health issues, family emergencies, or other circumstances beyond your control 4. Your good-faith efforts to comply when possible Be specific with dates and detailed about how these circumstances prevented you from meeting tax obligations. Include any supporting documentation (insurance claims for natural disaster, COVID-related business closure documentation, etc.). The IRS considers whether you exercised "ordinary business care and prudence" but were still unable to comply due to circumstances beyond your control. Don't just say you couldn't pay - explain exactly why, and show how you're now trying to make it right.
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Tyler Lefleur
•Thank you so much for the detailed response! Do you think I should file separate Form 843s for each tax year or combine them somehow? Also, for the crypto transaction in 2021, should I emphasize different reasons since that was during a different time period than my earlier issues?
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Madeline Blaze
•You should file separate Form 843s for each tax year, as each year's circumstances may be different and the IRS processes them individually. Keep copies of everything you submit. For the 2021 crypto transaction, yes, focus on different circumstances relevant to that time period. Perhaps you didn't understand the tax implications of crypto transactions, weren't aware of the reporting requirements, or were dealing with the ongoing effects of prior years' hardships. If the natural disaster occurred during or before 2021, definitely emphasize how it impacted your ability to properly handle tax obligations for that crypto gain.
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Max Knight
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Emma Swift
•How exactly does this work? I'm suspicious of anything AI related when it comes to tax issues. Does it actually give you language that the IRS responds well to or just generic advice?
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Isabella Tucker
•Did it help with crypto tax situations specifically? The IRS has been so aggressive with crypto lately and I'm worried about how they'll handle my case from last year.
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Max Knight
•It's not just generic advice - it analyzes your specific situation and tax history to provide customized recommendations. The tool looks at successful abatement requests for situations similar to yours and suggests the most effective language and approach. I was skeptical too, but it helped me identify which specific IRS policies supported my case. For crypto situations specifically, it's surprisingly knowledgeable. The tool has updated information about IRS crypto enforcement priorities and what documentation they expect. It helped me understand which transactions needed specific explanation and how to demonstrate good faith efforts to comply with requirements that honestly weren't very clear at the time I was trading.
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Isabella Tucker
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Jayden Hill
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LordCommander
•Wait, how does that even work? The IRS actually takes calls from a third party on your behalf? That seems weird.
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Lucy Lam
•This sounds like a scam. No way they can get through when nobody else can. The IRS phone lines are notoriously impossible - I've literally spent 6+ hours on hold only to be disconnected.
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Jayden Hill
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Lucy Lam
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Aidan Hudson
Have you considered bankruptcy? I know it sounds extreme, but certain tax debts can actually be discharged in bankruptcy if they're old enough (generally 3+ years). Not saying it's the right choice, but might be worth looking into if the penalty abatements don't work out.
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Tyler Lefleur
•I hadn't considered bankruptcy yet. That feels like a last resort to me, especially since I'm trying to restart my business. Would the 2021 crypto tax debt even qualify since it's more recent? And wouldn't bankruptcy make it impossible to get business loans or credit in the future?
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Aidan Hudson
•You're right to be cautious about bankruptcy. The 2021 crypto debt wouldn't qualify yet - tax debts must generally be from returns due at least 3 years before filing bankruptcy. So that major portion of your debt wouldn't be dischargeable right now. Bankruptcy does seriously impact your credit and ability to get business financing - typically stays on your credit report for 7-10 years. Since you're restarting your business, this could definitely create significant obstacles. Many business loans, commercial leases, and vendor credit arrangements check bankruptcy history specifically. I'd exhaust all options with penalty abatement and payment plans first before considering this route.
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Zoe Wang
Your friend offering the loan to pay the principal is amazingly generous. Just make sure you get the loan terms in writing to protect both of you. Also, before accepting, double-check with your LITC advisor about how partial payments might affect your case. Sometimes making partial payments can restart certain statute of limitations clocks with the IRS.
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Connor Richards
•This is really important advice! I made a partial payment on my tax debt without understanding the implications and it reset the 10-year collection statute. Definitely talk to your LITC advisor first.
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