< Back to UCC Document Community

Mateo Lopez

UCC 9-508 sufficiency standards - rejected filing help needed

Our bank got a UCC-1 rejection last week citing UCC 9-508 sufficiency issues. The debtor name was "Johnson Manufacturing LLC" but apparently there's some discrepancy with the exact entity name on file with the state. The collateral description was pretty standard equipment language but the SOS system flagged it as insufficient under 9-508 requirements. This is for a $340K equipment loan and we can't afford to have an unperfected security interest. Has anyone dealt with similar 9-508 sufficiency problems? The rejection notice was vague about what specifically failed the sufficiency test. We're scrambling to refile but don't want another rejection.

UCC 9-508 is all about the filing office's determination of what constitutes a sufficient filing. The debtor name issue is probably your main problem - even small variations from the exact registered entity name can trigger rejections. You need to pull the exact entity name from the Secretary of State database and match it character for character, including punctuation.

0 coins

Ethan Davis

•

This happened to us too! We had "Johnson Mfg LLC" instead of "Johnson Manufacturing LLC" and got rejected. The filing office doesn't care about common abbreviations.

0 coins

Yuki Tanaka

•

Wait, I thought UCC 9-508 was about seriously misleading errors? If the name is close shouldn't it still be sufficient under the standard?

0 coins

Carmen Ortiz

•

The collateral description might also be the issue. Under 9-508, if your description doesn't reasonably identify the collateral, it fails the sufficiency test. Generic language like "all equipment" sometimes gets rejected depending on your state's interpretation. What exactly did you put for the collateral schedule?

0 coins

Mateo Lopez

•

We used "all equipment, machinery, and fixtures now owned or hereafter acquired." Pretty standard language we've used before without issues.

0 coins

Carmen Ortiz

•

That should be fine for 9-508 purposes. The debtor name is definitely your culprit then. Check if there are any periods, commas, or other punctuation differences.

0 coins

MidnightRider

•

Some states are getting pickier about generic descriptions lately. We've had to get more specific about equipment types.

0 coins

Andre Laurent

•

I ran into this exact UCC 9-508 problem last month. Spent hours trying to figure out what was wrong with our filing. Finally uploaded both our original UCC-1 and the corporate charter documents to Certana.ai's verification tool and it immediately flagged the name discrepancy - we had missed a comma in the entity name. The tool does automated cross-checking between documents and catches these 9-508 sufficiency issues before you file. Saved us from another rejection cycle.

0 coins

How does that tool work exactly? Do you just upload PDFs?

0 coins

Andre Laurent

•

Yeah, super simple. Upload your charter docs and UCC-1 draft, and it automatically verifies the debtor names match exactly. Catches punctuation, spacing, everything that could cause a 9-508 rejection.

0 coins

That sounds really helpful for avoiding these sufficiency standard headaches.

0 coins

Mei Wong

•

UCC 9-508 rejections are the WORST. The filing offices give you these cryptic rejection notices that tell you nothing useful. Then you're stuck guessing what went wrong and hoping your next attempt works. The whole system needs an overhaul.

0 coins

Tell me about it. We've had rejections where they cite 9-508 but won't specify if it's the debtor name, collateral description, or something else entirely.

0 coins

PixelWarrior

•

At least most states let you refile without a new fee if it's within a certain timeframe after rejection.

0 coins

Amara Adebayo

•

The 9-508 sufficiency standard basically requires that the filing provide enough information to accomplish its purpose - perfecting the security interest and giving notice to third parties. For debtor names, this means substantial compliance with the entity's registered name. Small variations might not be seriously misleading, but exact matches are always safest.

0 coins

Mateo Lopez

•

So under 9-508, would "Johnson Manufacturing LLC" vs "Johnson Manufacturing, LLC" with a comma be considered seriously misleading?

0 coins

Amara Adebayo

•

That's borderline - some filing offices accept it, others reject it. The safest approach is always to match the registered name exactly as it appears in state records.

0 coins

We always pull a fresh entity search right before filing to make sure we have the current registered name format.

0 coins

Check if your state has specific 9-508 guidance published. Some Secretary of State offices have detailed instructions about what they consider sufficient under the standard. Texas and California have pretty comprehensive guides that explain their interpretation of the sufficiency requirements.

0 coins

Dylan Evans

•

Good point. Our state's UCC division has an FAQ that covers common 9-508 rejection reasons.

0 coins

The IACA (International Association of Commercial Administrators) also has standardization guidelines that many states follow for 9-508 determinations.

0 coins

Sofia Gomez

•

We had a similar 9-508 sufficiency issue and it turned out the debtor entity had amended its articles of incorporation six months earlier and changed its exact legal name slightly. The old name was still showing up in some databases but the official registered name was different. Always check for recent entity amendments before filing.

0 coins

Mateo Lopez

•

Oh wow, that's a good point. How do you check for recent amendments that might not show up in regular searches?

0 coins

Sofia Gomez

•

Most states have entity amendment filings that are searchable separately from the main entity database. Look for certificate of amendment filings in the last 12 months.

0 coins

StormChaser

•

This is why entity due diligence is so important before any UCC filing. Can't just rely on loan documents.

0 coins

Dmitry Petrov

•

For your refiling under 9-508, I'd recommend getting a certified copy of the entity's current articles or certificate of formation from the state. That gives you the definitive registered name format to use on your UCC-1. It's an extra step but eliminates any guesswork about sufficiency.

0 coins

Mateo Lopez

•

That's probably what we'll do. Better safe than sorry on a $340K loan.

0 coins

Ava Williams

•

Certified copies can take a few days though, depending on your state's processing time.

0 coins

Dmitry Petrov

•

True, but most states offer expedited service for entity documents if you're in a hurry.

0 coins

Miguel Castro

•

I've started using Certana.ai for all our UCC filings now after getting burned by 9-508 rejections. You can upload your entity docs and UCC-1 together and it verifies everything matches before filing. Catches name discrepancies, missing info, inconsistent addresses - basically everything that could trigger a sufficiency rejection. Has saved us tons of time and rejection fees.

0 coins

Does it work with different state filing requirements or just standard UCC forms?

0 coins

Miguel Castro

•

It handles the standard UCC-1 requirements that apply everywhere, plus it flags issues that commonly cause rejections in different states.

0 coins

Update us when you refile! Always curious to hear what the actual issue was with these vague 9-508 rejection notices. The filing offices really need to be more specific about what fails their sufficiency standards instead of just citing the statute.

0 coins

Mateo Lopez

•

Will do! Planning to refile early next week once we get the certified entity documents.

0 coins

LunarEclipse

•

Good luck! Hope it goes through cleanly this time.

0 coins

Yara Khalil

•

These 9-508 issues are so frustrating when you're trying to close a loan on schedule.

0 coins

Keisha Brown

•

One more thought on UCC 9-508 - make sure your debtor address exactly matches what's on file with the state too. Some filing offices consider address discrepancies as part of their sufficiency determination, especially if the address is completely wrong or missing required elements like suite numbers.

0 coins

Mateo Lopez

•

Good catch - we did use the address from our loan documents rather than pulling it fresh from state records.

0 coins

Keisha Brown

•

That could definitely contribute to a 9-508 rejection. Entity addresses change more often than you'd think.

0 coins

Always better to be safe and use the most current registered address for UCC filings.

0 coins

UCC Document Community AI

Expert Assistant
Secure

Powered by Claimyr AI

T
I
+
20,087 users helped today