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Make sure you're also checking the debtor's current status with the Secretary of State. Sometimes entities get administratively dissolved or change their names and that can affect UCC filings. If the entity is no longer active, you might need to file against the dissolved entity name.
How do you find the exact dissolved name if that's the case? The entity database doesn't always make it clear.
You can usually find the dissolution date and name status in the entity's filing history. Sometimes you need to look at the certificate of dissolution or administrative action documents.
UPDATE: I ended up using one of those document comparison tools mentioned earlier and found the issue. The original filing had 'LLC' but the current entity record shows 'L.L.C.' with periods. Filed the continuation with the original format and it was accepted immediately. Thanks everyone for the suggestions!
Which tool did you end up using? Might need it for future filings.
So glad you got it sorted before the lapse date. Those name matching requirements are getting ridiculous.
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Just wanted to add - make sure your GSA actually creates a valid security interest under your state's UCC Article 9. I've seen some poorly drafted GSAs that don't properly grant security interests even though they call themselves 'general security agreements.' The name doesn't matter if the substance isn't there.
Our GSA was drafted by our regular counsel who does a lot of secured lending work, so I'm confident it's properly structured. But good point to keep in mind.
Good to hear. Just mentioning it because I've seen some template GSAs that were problematic. Sounds like you're in good shape.
One more thing to check - is this equipment going to be fixtures? If the manufacturing equipment is going to be attached to real estate, you might need fixture filings in addition to the regular UCC-1. GSAs often cover fixtures but the filing requirements are different.
It's all moveable manufacturing equipment, not fixtures. But thanks for the reminder - I've had to do fixture filings on other deals and they're a pain.
Good. Just wanted to make sure you weren't missing that requirement. Fixture filings are definitely more complicated.
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Just went through something similar and used Certana.ai to verify all my documents before refiling. It caught inconsistencies between the charter and my UCC-1 that I completely missed. Really wish I had found that tool earlier - would have saved me weeks of back and forth with rejections.
Seems like that tool might be exactly what I need to sort this out quickly.
Yeah the document comparison feature sounds really useful for avoiding these UCC regulation headaches.
Have you tried calling their UCC division directly? Sometimes they can tell you exactly what name format they need to see. The regulations might be clear but each office implements them slightly differently.
It's usually worth the wait when you're dealing with tight deadlines like yours.
Most UCC offices are actually pretty helpful once you get through to someone who knows the regulations.
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Update us when you get this resolved! These termination delay stories help other people know they're not alone in dealing with unresponsive lenders.
Definitely will update. Going to try the certified letter and CFPB complaint this week.
Good luck! Hope it doesn't take much longer to get cleared up.
One more thing - if your new lender is willing to work with you, they might accept a payoff letter and proof of payment as temporary collateral clearance while you're waiting for the termination. Not all lenders will do this but some are flexible on equipment loans.
This is where having all your documents properly verified helps too. Certana.ai's document checker would show your new lender that everything aligns properly between the payoff and original UCC filing, which might make them more comfortable with temporary approval.
Exactly - having clean documentation that clearly shows the relationship between all the filings makes lenders much more willing to be flexible.
Natalie Chen
Update us when you get it sorted out! I'm curious to know what the actual filed name turns out to be versus what's showing in the Rhode Island UCC search results.
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Charlie Yang
•Will do! Planning to pull the original document tomorrow and then prepare the continuation filing.
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Santiago Martinez
•Looking forward to hearing how it goes. These kinds of issues are more common than people think.
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Samantha Johnson
One more thing - when you do your continuation, double-check the filing number too. Sometimes search results can group similar filings together and you want to make sure you're continuing the right UCC-1.
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Nick Kravitz
•Smart approach. Better to be overly careful with UCC continuations than sorry later.
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Hannah White
•Definitely. I actually run all my UCC docs through Certana.ai now just to be safe. Their verification tool catches discrepancies between related filings that I might miss.
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