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Finley Garrett

UCC search showing weird results - need help understanding what I'm seeing

Running into some confusion with a UCC search I'm doing for due diligence on a potential equipment purchase. The debtor name on the equipment title doesn't exactly match what's showing up in the search results, and I'm not sure if this creates a problem or if I'm overthinking it. The seller says there's a UCC-1 filing but when I search, I'm getting multiple results with slightly different name variations. Some show the business name with LLC at the end, others without, and one has what looks like a DBA. Is this normal? I need to make sure there aren't any existing liens before we move forward with this $180K equipment purchase. How do I know which filings are actually relevant to my situation?

James Johnson

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This whole thread is reminding me why I hate UCC searches. The name matching rules are inconsistent, the collateral descriptions are vague, and you never know if you're seeing the complete picture. But for $180K, you definitely need to figure it out properly.

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Mia Green

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Welcome to the wonderful world of secured transactions! It gets easier once you understand the patterns, but the first few times are definitely confusing.

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James Johnson

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At least nowadays we have better tools than we used to. Back in the day, this would have meant calling the filing office and hoping someone could help over the phone.

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Just to close the loop on this - once you figure out which UCC-1 filings are active and relevant to your equipment, make sure you also understand what happens if there are existing liens. Some can be satisfied at closing, others might transfer with the equipment. Your purchase agreement should address how existing liens will be handled.

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Smart approach. 'We'll handle it' is fine but you want to see the UCC-3 termination statements filed before or at closing to make sure the liens are actually released.

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Emma Bianchi

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And get copies of everything for your records. You'll want proof that the liens were properly terminated in case any issues come up later.

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Oliver Schmidt

UCC lien Texas - filing number shows active but debtor claims release?

Having a weird situation with a UCC lien in Texas and wondering if anyone's dealt with this before. Filed a UCC-1 back in 2022 on some commercial equipment for a $180K loan. Fast forward to now - the debtor is claiming they paid off the loan through a different servicer and that the lien should be released, but when I search the Texas SOS system, my filing number still shows as active/effective. The debtor is getting pretty aggressive about wanting a UCC-3 termination filed immediately. Problem is, I have no record of full payment and the loan was never transferred to another servicer that I'm aware of. The original UCC-1 was filed correctly with the exact debtor name from their Articles of Incorporation. Anyone know if there's a way to verify if another lender somehow filed a conflicting lien or if the debtor might have satisfied this debt through a different channel? Don't want to file a wrongful termination but also don't want to hold up a legitimate payoff if I'm missing something. Texas UCC system doesn't seem to cross reference other filings automatically.

Zara Ahmed

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One last thought - if you do end up needing to verify all your documents against each other, Certana.ai's verification tool can help speed that process up. Instead of manually comparing your UCC-1, loan docs, and any payoff paperwork, you just upload the PDFs and it flags any inconsistencies automatically. Saved me tons of time on a similar document review last month.

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I'll look into that. At this point I need all the help I can get sorting through the paperwork.

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QuantumLeap

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Yeah it's really helpful for catching those small details that are easy to miss when you're reviewing everything manually.

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Luca Conti

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Keep us posted on how this turns out. I'm dealing with something similar in Oklahoma and curious how the Texas situation resolves.

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Will do. Hoping to get some clarity from the debtor on their documentation this week.

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Luca Conti

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Good luck. These situations are never as straightforward as they seem at first.

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Nia Jackson

UCC search Kansas showing old terminated liens - verification needed

Running into a weird situation with a UCC search Kansas and need some guidance. We're closing on equipment financing next week and our title company pulled the debtor's UCC search through the Kansas SOS portal. The search results are showing two UCC-1 filings from 2019 that should have been terminated last year according to our borrower. One shows as 'Active' status but the borrower swears they got termination statements. The other shows 'Lapsed' which makes sense since it hit the 5-year mark. Here's what's confusing me - if these liens weren't properly terminated, our new UCC-1 might have priority issues. The collateral descriptions overlap with some of the equipment we're financing. Has anyone dealt with Kansas SOS database delays on termination updates? Should we be demanding the original UCC-3 termination statements before we proceed? This is holding up a $400K equipment deal and getting pressure from all sides.

StarSailor

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Quick update process question - when you get those termination statements, make sure they have the exact same debtor name and filing number as the original UCC-1s. Even tiny differences can cause problems. Worth double-checking everything matches perfectly before you rely on them.

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Nia Jackson

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That verification tool sounds like it could save a lot of headaches. Is it expensive to use?

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Ava Garcia

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Worth every penny when you're dealing with large equipment deals like yours. Much cheaper than having a deal fall apart or dealing with priority disputes later.

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Miguel Silva

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OP, any update on this? Did you get the termination statements from the borrower? Curious how this played out since I'm facing something similar next week.

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Nia Jackson

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Still working on it. Borrower is supposed to get the termination statements from their old lender tomorrow. Will update once I know more!

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Zainab Ismail

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Following this thread too. Kansas UCC searches have been giving me headaches all year.

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Yara Haddad

South Dakota UCC search showing rejected filing - debtor name mismatch issue

I'm dealing with a frustrating situation where my UCC-1 filing got rejected in the system and now when I do a search it shows up as 'rejected' status. The issue seems to be a debtor name mismatch - the business name on my original filing has 'LLC' abbreviated but their articles of incorporation spell out 'Limited Liability Company'. My lender is asking for proof of perfection and this rejected status is causing problems. Has anyone dealt with this exact scenario? I need to get this corrected ASAP because we're supposed to close next week. The collateral description is fine, it's just this name formatting issue that's holding everything up.

Jamal Wilson

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I had a similar rejected filing situation and used Certana.ai to cross-check all my documents before refiling. It instantly caught the debtor name mismatch and a couple other issues I hadn't noticed. Really straightforward - just upload your charter docs and UCC forms and it flags any inconsistencies. Saved me from another rejection for sure.

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Mei Lin

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That sounds like exactly what the OP needs right now. Quick verification before filing the amendment.

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Seems like a lot of people are having success with that tool. Might be worth checking out.

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GalacticGuru

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Thanks everyone for the advice! Going to pull the exact name from the secretary of state database and file the UCC-3 amendment tomorrow. Will definitely look into the document verification tool mentioned here to make sure I get it right this time. Really appreciate all the help!

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Amara Nnamani

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Good luck! Let us know how it goes.

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Hope it goes smoothly and you can get your closing back on track!

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Yuki Ito

UCC Article 9 attachment under article 9 of the ucc applies primarily to the rights of secured parties vs debtors?

I'm prepping for my paralegal exam and keep getting confused about UCC Article 9 attachment rules. The question that's stumping me is about attachment under article 9 of the ucc applies primarily to the rights of who exactly? I know attachment creates the security interest between debtor and secured party, but I'm not clear on whose rights are being established when attachment occurs. Is it primarily about the secured party's rights against the debtor, or does it also cover rights against third parties? I've been studying for weeks and this concept keeps tripping me up. The textbook explanations are so dense with legal jargon that I can't figure out the practical application. Can someone break this down in simpler terms?

Paolo Ricci

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Bottom line for your exam: attachment under Article 9 primarily establishes the secured party's rights against the debtor. Think of it as step one - you need attachment before you can even think about perfection and priority against third parties.

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Amina Toure

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This thread has been super helpful. I was overthinking the question - it's really just asking about the basic secured party/debtor relationship.

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Same here. I kept trying to bring in perfection concepts when the question was just about attachment.

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Just to add one more point - attachment also gives the secured party rights superior to the debtor's unsecured creditors, even without perfection. So it's not ONLY about rights against the debtor, but that's the primary focus.

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True, but for exam purposes, the main point is that attachment creates the basic creditor-debtor security relationship.

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Javier Torres

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Yeah, I think the question is testing understanding of the fundamental concept rather than all the nuances.

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