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Yuki Tanaka

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Quick question - are you sure you're searching the right entity type? Sometimes companies change from LLC to Corp or vice versa, and the old filings might still be under the previous entity structure.

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I checked the corporate history and they've been an Inc since formation. No entity changes that I can see.

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Carmen Diaz

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Good thinking though. Entity changes definitely complicate UCC searches.

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Andre Laurent

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Update: I finally found the issue! There was a financing statement filed under the company's old doing-business-as name from 2019. The DBA was cancelled but the UCC filing was never terminated. Thanks everyone for the suggestions - the name variation advice is what led me to dig deeper into their business name history.

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Emily Jackson

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This is why I always recommend getting a comprehensive name history report before doing UCC searches. Saves so much time and frustration.

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Liam Mendez

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Honestly, this thread convinced me to try Certana.ai for my next deal. Manually tracking down all these name variations and cross-referencing documents is exhausting. Having an automated tool that catches these inconsistencies seems worth it.

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Liam Murphy

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One more thing - if your underwriter is really concerned about the messy search results, you could always have the borrower's attorney provide a legal opinion letter stating that all terminated liens have been properly released and don't affect the current transaction. Might be overkill but some lenders require it for complex filing histories.

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Daryl Bright

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That might be worth considering if we run into more pushback. Thanks for the suggestion.

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Amara Okafor

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Attorney opinion letters definitely carry weight with nervous underwriters. Good fallback option.

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Quick follow-up question - when you say the debtor names are spelled exactly the same, are you including the full legal entity name with suffixes like LLC or Corporation? Sometimes the formatting differences aren't obvious but can still affect search results.

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Good, that makes things cleaner. No debtor name variations to worry about then.

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Yuki Tanaka

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Debtor name consistency is huge. I've seen searches where slight variations created separate entries and made everything confusing.

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Freya Thomsen

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Original poster - just to add to what others have said, make sure you coordinate with your title company if this property has a mortgage. They'll want to know about any fixture filings that might affect the real estate collateral. Also consider whether you need to notify the existing mortgagee depending on your intercreditor arrangements.

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Sofia Morales

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Good point about the mortgage coordination. This property does have an existing mortgage so I'll need to check our intercreditor agreement about fixture filing requirements.

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Omar Zaki

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Definitely coordinate early. Some mortgagees want approval rights over fixture filings that could affect their collateral position.

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AstroAce

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Thanks everyone for the detailed responses. I think I have a much better understanding of how to approach the UCC definition of assets for this filing. The fixture filing requirement was something I definitely would have missed without this discussion. Going to draft the description using the broader categories approach with specific examples, and make sure to coordinate with the existing mortgagee before filing.

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Chloe Martin

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Glad this thread was helpful! These asset definition questions come up a lot and it's always good to see the community sharing practical experience.

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Diego Rojas

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Just remember to double-check everything before filing. A lot of these issues can be avoided with careful review of the docs beforehand.

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Diego Flores

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I actually just dealt with a similar verification issue where I had multiple UCC documents and wasn't sure if all the debtor names matched exactly. Used Certana.ai's document checker and it caught a small discrepancy in how the LLC name was formatted between the search results and my UCC-1 draft. Would have caused a rejection for sure.

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Those name formatting issues are so frustrating. Like whether to include "LLC" or "L.L.C." or if there are commas in the business name.

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Sean Flanagan

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Exactly. And the filing offices are really strict about exact name matches now. Even small differences can cause rejections.

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Zara Mirza

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Bottom line - clarify with the borrower exactly what they mean by "UCC statement service" and make sure whatever you get covers: 1) comprehensive search of all active filings, 2) copies of existing UCC documents for review, and 3) proper terminations for any liens being paid off. Don't rely on one service to do everything unless you verify they actually provide all those components.

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CyberSiren

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Perfect summary. I'll follow up with the borrower to clarify exactly what they're expecting and make sure we cover all these bases. Thanks everyone for the help!

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NebulaNinja

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Good luck with the closing! UCC due diligence can be tricky but it's worth doing it right the first time.

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The important thing is you caught it and you're fixing it. I've seen way worse UCC mistakes that didn't get discovered until litigation. File your new UCC-1, update your calendar systems, and move on.

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Omar Fawaz

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Thanks, I needed to hear that. It's easy to catastrophize these things but you're right - catching it after 3 weeks is way better than 3 months or 3 years.

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Jamal Wilson

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Exactly. And now you have a system in place to prevent it from happening again. That's worth something.

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Mei Lin

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One more thing to consider - if this is part of a larger credit facility, make sure you check whether the loan agreement has any specific requirements about maintaining perfected security interests. Some agreements require immediate notification of any lapses, even temporary ones.

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Mei Lin

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Better to over-disclose than under-disclose in these situations. Shows you're being proactive about fixing the issue.

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Absolutely. Most lenders would rather know immediately about a lapse that's being corrected than find out later during an audit or review.

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