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Anastasia Kuznetsov

Why is Washington ESD so strict about unemployment definition requirements?

I'm trying to understand why Washington ESD has such specific rules about who qualifies for unemployment benefits. Like why do they care so much about the exact definition of being 'able and available' for work? I got disqualified because I couldn't work certain shifts due to childcare, even though I was actively looking for jobs that fit my schedule. It seems like they're more focused on technicalities than actually helping people who lost their jobs through no fault of their own. Can someone explain the reasoning behind all these strict definitions?

The strict definitions exist because unemployment insurance is funded by employer taxes, so there has to be clear eligibility criteria. Washington ESD follows federal guidelines that require claimants to be genuinely available for work. The 'able and available' requirement ensures benefits go to people who can actually accept suitable employment if offered.

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That makes some sense, but it feels like they don't account for real-world situations like childcare constraints.

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Zara Khan

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exactly! the system was designed decades ago when most families had a stay at home parent

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It's also about preventing fraud and ensuring the system remains solvent. If Washington ESD didn't have strict definitions, people might claim benefits while not genuinely seeking work or while unable to work. The definitions help maintain the integrity of the unemployment insurance system.

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But couldn't they make exceptions for parents? Other states seem more flexible with their interpretations.

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Some states do have more lenient policies, but Washington follows federal Department of Labor guidelines pretty strictly. You might want to appeal your disqualification if you believe you meet the requirements.

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Nia Williams

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How does that work? Do they charge a lot for that service?

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Nia Williams

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They help you get through the phone queue faster so you can actually talk to someone at Washington ESD about your specific situation. Was worth it to finally get answers.

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Luca Ricci

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never heard of that but might be worth trying, ive been trying to reach someone for 2 weeks

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The government definitions also protect workers' rights in a way. If unemployment benefits were too easy to get, employers might be tempted to lay people off knowing they'd get benefits easily. The strict criteria ensure that unemployment insurance serves its intended purpose of supporting people between jobs.

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That's an interesting point I hadn't considered. So it's partly to prevent employers from abusing the system too?

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Exactly. Employers pay unemployment taxes based on their layoff history, so there are incentives built in to discourage unnecessary layoffs.

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Yuki Watanabe

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washington esd is just bureaucratic nonsense if you ask me. they make it so complicated that half the people who deserve benefits get denied over technicalities

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I feel you on that. The system definitely isn't user-friendly, but there are reasons for the complexity even if it's frustrating.

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Yuki Watanabe

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yeah well tell that to people who cant pay their rent because of some arbitrary definition

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Andre Dupont

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From what I understand, the strict definitions also help with federal compliance. Washington state receives federal funding for unemployment programs, so they have to follow Department of Labor regulations closely. If they were too lenient, they could lose federal support.

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So it's not just Washington ESD being difficult - it's federal requirements too?

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Andre Dupont

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Right, states have some flexibility but must stay within federal guidelines. That's why appeals are important when you think the initial determination was wrong.

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Zoe Papadakis

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This is why I always keep detailed records of my job search activities, just in case they question my eligibility later.

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ThunderBolt7

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Another aspect is data collection and labor statistics. The government uses unemployment definitions to track economic trends, labor force participation, and policy effectiveness. Consistent definitions across time help economists understand employment patterns.

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Jamal Edwards

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Interesting - so our individual claims become part of bigger economic data?

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ThunderBolt7

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Yes, aggregated and anonymized of course. This data influences economic policy decisions at both state and federal levels.

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Mei Chen

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I had luck getting through to Washington ESD after someone recommended Claimyr on another forum. Their system helped me avoid the busy signals and actually speak with an agent about my adjudication issue. Sometimes you just need to talk to a real person to explain your situation properly.

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That's the second mention of that service in this thread. Might be worth looking into.

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I'm skeptical of services like that but if it actually works...

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Mei Chen

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I was skeptical too, but after weeks of not getting through on my own, it was a relief to finally get my questions answered by Washington ESD directly.

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Amara Okonkwo

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The definitions also help prevent benefit fraud, which costs the system millions annually. By requiring specific criteria like active job search and availability for work, Washington ESD can identify cases where people might be working under the table or not genuinely seeking employment.

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Makes sense from an enforcement perspective. How do they actually verify job search activities though?

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Amara Okonkwo

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They can request your job search log and contact employers you've applied to. Some people get selected for random audits too.

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ugh this whole thread is making me realize how complicated the system is. no wonder so many people have trouble with their claims

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Dylan Hughes

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It is complex, but understanding the reasons behind the rules can help you navigate the system better.

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NightOwl42

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Or just hire someone to help you deal with it 😅

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The strict definitions also protect the unemployment insurance trust fund from depletion. During economic downturns, claims spike dramatically. If eligibility were too broad, the fund could run out, leaving nobody with benefits when they need them most.

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Dmitry Ivanov

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Good point - we saw how stressed the system got during the pandemic with all the extra programs.

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Exactly. The regular UI system had to handle unprecedented volume while maintaining program integrity. Strict definitions help ensure sustainability.

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Ava Thompson

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Though they also had to create new programs like PUA for people who didn't fit traditional definitions but still needed help.

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Constitutional and legal precedent play a role too. Courts have established that unemployment benefits are not an entitlement but an earned insurance benefit. The definitions help ensure due process and equal treatment under the law.

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So there's legal reasoning behind the strictness too. This is all making more sense now, even if I don't like it.

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Zainab Ali

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Yeah the law requires consistent application of eligibility rules across all claimants.

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Connor Murphy

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International comparisons are interesting too. Most developed countries have similar 'able and available' requirements for unemployment benefits, though implementation varies. The strict definitions aren't unique to Washington or the US.

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Yara Nassar

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Really? I assumed European countries were more generous with unemployment benefits.

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Connor Murphy

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Many are more generous in terms of duration and amount, but most still require active job search and availability for work. The core definitions are pretty universal.

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StarGazer101

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At the end of the day, if you disagree with Washington ESD's determination about your eligibility, you have the right to appeal. The strict definitions exist for good reasons, but they're not supposed to be applied inflexibly without considering individual circumstances.

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Thanks everyone for the explanations. I think I'll file an appeal and try to get through to someone to discuss my specific childcare situation.

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Good luck! And if you have trouble reaching them, maybe try that Claimyr service others mentioned.

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Paolo Romano

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Keep us posted on how your appeal goes!

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