Washington ESD economist question - why do we not want 0 unemployment rate?
This might sound weird but I'm doing research for a college paper and trying to understand why economists say we don't actually want 0% unemployment. I know Washington ESD tracks unemployment statistics and I'm wondering if anyone here has insight into why some unemployment is considered healthy for the economy? I've been looking at Washington state employment data and it seems like even when things are going well we still have people filing claims. Is there an economic reason for this or am I missing something?
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JaylinCharles
Great question! From an economic standpoint, some unemployment is actually necessary for a healthy economy. It's called 'natural unemployment' and it includes frictional unemployment (people between jobs) and structural unemployment (skills mismatches). Even when Washington ESD processes claims efficiently, there will always be people transitioning between positions.
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Brianna Muhammad
•That makes sense about people being between jobs. So Washington ESD actually expects a certain baseline of claims even in good times?
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JaylinCharles
•Exactly! The Washington State Employment Security Department uses these metrics to gauge economic health. A rate around 3-5% is typically considered full employment.
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Eloise Kendrick
i never thought about this but it makes sense. when i was laid off last year and filed with washington esd, i used that time to look for something better. ended up getting a higher paying job than before. if everyone was employed all the time there wouldnt be room for people to move up or find better fits
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Brianna Muhammad
•That's a good point about using unemployment time to find better positions. Did Washington ESD require you to keep looking even if you were being selective?
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Eloise Kendrick
•yeah you still have to do the job search requirements and report your activities. but having that UI cushion let me be more choosy instead of taking the first thing available
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Lucas Schmidt
Zero unemployment would actually be terrible for workers. It would mean employers have all the power because nobody could quit or negotiate for better wages. The threat of unemployment keeps wages competitive. Washington ESD data shows that when unemployment gets too low (under 2%), inflation usually follows because employers start bidding up wages dramatically.
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Freya Collins
•Wait that doesn't make sense to me. If unemployment is low wouldn't that be good for workers because they have more power to demand higher wages?
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Lucas Schmidt
•In the short term yes, but if it gets too low it creates wage-price spirals. Workers demand higher wages, employers raise prices to cover costs, workers need even higher wages to afford things, and so on. The Washington ESD economists track this stuff closely.
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JaylinCharles
•This is why the Federal Reserve tries to balance employment and inflation. They actually want some unemployment to prevent the economy from overheating.
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LongPeri
Another thing is innovation. Companies innovate partly because they need to stay competitive for talent. If literally everyone was employed, there'd be less pressure to improve working conditions, develop new technologies, or increase productivity. Some level of labor market fluidity is necessary.
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Brianna Muhammad
•That's an interesting angle I hadn't considered. So unemployment creates competitive pressure that drives innovation?
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LongPeri
•Exactly. Plus creative destruction - old industries dying and new ones being born. People need time to retrain and transition, which is where programs like Washington ESD's training benefits come in.
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Oscar O'Neil
from a practical standpoint, zero unemployment is impossible anyway. there will always be people entering the job market (new graduates, people moving, etc), people leaving jobs voluntarily, seasonal workers, and economic shifts. washington esd exists partly because this turnover is natural and expected
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Brianna Muhammad
•Good point about seasonal work. I didn't think about how that affects the numbers.
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Sara Hellquiem
•Yeah seasonal unemployment is huge in Washington with agriculture, tourism, construction. Those workers file claims predictably every year.
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Charlee Coleman
I've been tracking this stuff for years and one thing people don't realize is that healthy unemployment also prevents skill atrophy. When people have to compete for jobs, they stay sharp and keep learning. If everyone was guaranteed employment, there'd be less incentive to improve skills or adapt to changing markets.
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Brianna Muhammad
•So you're saying some unemployment pressure keeps the workforce competitive and skilled?
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Charlee Coleman
•Right. And it helps with resource allocation - workers move from declining industries to growing ones. Washington ESD's job matching services actually facilitate this process.
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Eloise Kendrick
one more thing - if there was zero unemployment, new companies would have a really hard time finding workers. all the talent would be locked up in existing jobs. this would hurt startups and entrepreneurship which need to be able to attract people away from established companies
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Liv Park
•Never thought about that but it makes total sense. New businesses need to be able to hire people.
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Eloise Kendrick
•exactly and a lot of innovation comes from startups and new companies that can offer equity or other benefits to attract talent from bigger firms
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Leeann Blackstein
The textbook answer is that natural unemployment (around 4-6%) allows for economic flexibility. But having been through multiple Washington ESD claims myself, I can tell you the human cost is real. The theory is nice but being unemployed sucks even if it's 'economically necessary.
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Brianna Muhammad
•I definitely understand that the personal impact is difficult. I'm more trying to understand the economic theory side for my paper.
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Leeann Blackstein
•Fair enough. The theory is sound - some unemployment does serve important economic functions. Just wanted to acknowledge that it's not abstract for the people going through it.
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JaylinCharles
•Absolutely. This is why we have unemployment insurance systems like Washington ESD - to cushion the human impact while allowing the economic benefits to work.
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Ryder Greene
Here's something most people miss - zero unemployment would actually hurt wage growth in the long run. Sounds counterintuitive but bear with me. If everyone is employed, there's no pool of available workers for expanding companies to draw from. This limits economic growth, which ultimately limits how much wages can increase across the economy.
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Brianna Muhammad
•So some unemployment is necessary for overall economic growth?
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Ryder Greene
•Exactly. Growing companies need access to workers. If the labor market is completely tight, it constrains expansion and innovation.
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Carmella Fromis
Also worth mentioning that different types of unemployment serve different functions. Frictional unemployment (job switching) is generally good. Cyclical unemployment (recession-related) is what we want to minimize. Washington ESD deals with both but the policy responses are different.
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Brianna Muhammad
•Can you explain the difference between these types? I think this would be good to include in my paper.
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Carmella Fromis
•Frictional is people between jobs by choice - quitting to find better work, new graduates job hunting, etc. Cyclical is from economic downturns when demand for workers drops. Structural is when skills don't match available jobs.
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JaylinCharles
•Good breakdown. Washington ESD's programs address each type differently - UI for cyclical, job training for structural, job matching services for frictional.
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Theodore Nelson
your professor probably wants you to mention the phillips curve too - the relationship between unemployment and inflation. when unemployment gets too low inflation tends to rise, so policymakers try to find the sweet spot
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Brianna Muhammad
•Yes! We covered that in class. So there's a trade-off between low unemployment and stable prices?
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Theodore Nelson
•exactly though the relationship has gotten more complex over time. but the basic idea is that some unemployment helps keep inflation in check
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AaliyahAli
From a labor economics perspective, unemployment also serves as a disciplining device. Workers know they can be replaced, which affects productivity and wage negotiations. It's not pleasant to think about but it's part of how market economies function.
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Ellie Simpson
•That sounds pretty harsh when you put it that way.
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AaliyahAli
•It is harsh, but it's also why we have social safety nets like Washington ESD unemployment insurance. The goal is to maintain market discipline while protecting people from the worst effects.
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Arjun Kurti
Something else to consider is international competitiveness. If a country had zero unemployment, it might indicate the economy isn't dynamic enough to compete globally. Some level of unemployment suggests creative destruction is happening - old inefficient businesses failing and new competitive ones emerging.
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Brianna Muhammad
•So unemployment can actually be a sign of a healthy, competitive economy?
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Arjun Kurti
•In moderate amounts, yes. It shows the economy is adapting and evolving rather than stagnating.
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Raúl Mora
Don't forget about voluntary unemployment too. Some people choose not to work - students, retirees, people taking care of family. Even in a 'zero unemployment' scenario, you'd still have people not in the labor force by choice.
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Brianna Muhammad
•Right, I think technically unemployment only counts people actively looking for work.
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Raúl Mora
•Correct. The unemployment rate is unemployed people divided by the labor force (employed + unemployed). People not looking for work aren't counted in either category.
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Margot Quinn
for your paper you might want to look at historical examples. countries that tried to achieve full employment through central planning often ended up with hidden unemployment - people employed but not productive. at least with market unemployment the people getting Washington ESD benefits are free to find work that matches their skills
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Brianna Muhammad
•That's a really good point about hidden vs. open unemployment. I'll definitely research some historical examples.
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Evelyn Kim
•The Soviet Union is the classic example - they had 'full employment' but lots of people in unproductive jobs just to meet employment targets.
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Diego Fisher
Just to add one more angle - unemployment also allows for better job matches. If everyone was locked into jobs, you'd have lots of people in positions that don't suit their skills or interests. The ability to quit and search (with Washington ESD support) leads to better worker-job matching overall.
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Brianna Muhammad
•So some unemployment actually makes the economy more efficient by improving job matches?
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Diego Fisher
•Exactly. Better matches mean higher productivity and job satisfaction. It's worth the temporary unemployment to find the right fit.
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Henrietta Beasley
This has been a really helpful discussion! Thanks everyone for all the different perspectives. I think I have enough material now to write a solid paper on why moderate unemployment is economically beneficial even though it creates hardship for individuals. The Washington ESD example of how unemployment insurance helps manage this balance is perfect.
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JaylinCharles
•Glad we could help! Make sure to cite some actual research papers and data sources in addition to this discussion.
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Brianna Muhammad
•Definitely will do. This gave me lots of good search terms and concepts to look up in the academic literature.
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Ethan Moore
One thing I'd add is that zero unemployment could also create geographical imbalances. People need to be able to move between regions for work opportunities. If everyone was locked into jobs locally, you'd have labor shortages in growing areas and surpluses in declining regions. Washington ESD actually helps coordinate with other states for interstate claims when people relocate for work - this mobility is crucial for economic efficiency.
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Luca Marino
•That's a really interesting point about geographic mobility! I hadn't thought about how zero unemployment would prevent people from moving to where jobs are needed most. So unemployment actually helps with labor market flexibility across different regions?
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