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Washington ESD says 0% unemployment rate is bad - can someone explain why?

I was reading some economic report that mentioned how having 0% unemployment would actually be terrible for the economy. This doesn't make sense to me at all - wouldn't everyone having jobs be a good thing? I'm currently on Washington ESD unemployment benefits and obviously I want to find work, but I'm confused about why economists think some unemployment is necessary. Can anyone break this down in simple terms?

It's counterintuitive but economists call it 'natural unemployment' - there's always going to be some people between jobs, recent graduates looking for their first position, people relocating, etc. If unemployment hits absolute zero, it usually means the economy is overheated and wages/inflation will spike.

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So even when I finish my weekly claims with Washington ESD and find a job, someone else might be filing their initial claim? It's like a cycle?

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Exactly! There's always some natural turnover in the job market. The Washington ESD system exists precisely because this transition period is normal and expected.

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Think about it this way - if unemployment is 0%, that means every single person who wants a job has one. Sounds great right? But it also means employers have zero leverage and workers can demand whatever they want. Wages would skyrocket overnight and so would prices for everything.

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That actually happened in some sectors during the pandemic when certain industries had massive labor shortages

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Yep, and look what happened to inflation. Same principle applies to the whole economy.

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I've been dealing with Washington ESD for months trying to get through their phone system, and honestly the unemployment rate is the least of my concerns right now. I just want to talk to an actual human about my adjudication status! Has anyone found a reliable way to reach them? I've tried calling first thing in the morning but still get disconnected.

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Have you tried using Claimyr? It's a service that helps you get through to Washington ESD agents automatically. I found out about it at claimyr.com and they have a demo video at https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ showing how it works. Way better than spending hours redialing.

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Never heard of it but I'm desperate at this point. Does it actually work for reaching Washington ESD specifically?

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Yeah it's designed for unemployment offices including Washington ESD. Saved me probably 20 hours of calling when my claim was stuck in adjudication.

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from an economics standpoint, around 4-5% unemployment is considered 'full employment' because it accounts for people voluntarily changing jobs, seasonal workers, new graduates entering the workforce, etc. Zero unemployment would mean no labor mobility which would actually hurt economic growth

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So when I see Washington state unemployment rates reported, they're not trying to get it to zero?

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Correct - they aim for that 4-5% range. Below that and you get wage inflation, above that and you have economic problems.

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this is all theoretical BS when you're actually unemployed and struggling to pay bills. I don't care about the 'natural rate' when my Washington ESD claim has been pending for weeks

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I understand the frustration but understanding these concepts helps explain why unemployment benefits exist in the first place - it's not just charity, it's economic policy

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fair point I guess. just wish my individual situation would resolve faster

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Another way to think about it - if there was literally zero unemployment, how would new businesses find workers? They'd have to poach from existing companies, driving up wages across the board. Some unemployment creates a pool of available talent for growing industries.

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That makes sense. Like how tech companies expanded rapidly in recent years by hiring people who were between jobs

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Exactly. Economic flexibility requires some labor market slack.

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OK so this helps explain why Washington ESD and unemployment insurance exists as a permanent institution rather than something they're trying to eliminate entirely. It's managing a necessary economic function.

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Now you're getting it! Unemployment insurance smooths out the natural transitions in the labor market.

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Right - it's social insurance for an inevitable economic reality, not a welfare program per se.

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i mean this is interesting and all but has anyone actually figured out how to get washington esd on the phone reliably? my claim status hasn't updated in 3 weeks

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Like I mentioned earlier, Claimyr worked great for me. You basically set it up to call Washington ESD automatically until it gets through, then it connects you to an agent.

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is there a cost involved?

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There is but honestly worth it compared to the time I was wasting trying to call manually. Check out their site for details.

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Update: tried that Claimyr thing someone mentioned and actually got through to Washington ESD within 2 hours! Agent was able to explain my adjudication delay and gave me a timeline. Pretty amazing compared to my weeks of failed calling attempts.

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That's awesome! What did they say about your adjudication timeline?

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Apparently there was a discrepancy in my work history that needed verification. Should be resolved within 10 business days now that I provided the missing documentation.

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Getting back to the original question - historically, periods of extremely low unemployment (like under 3%) have often preceded economic overheating and recessions. The late 1960s and late 1990s are good examples of this pattern.

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So there's actually historical evidence that too little unemployment is problematic?

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Yes - it's one of those economic paradoxes where the optimal outcome isn't the most obvious one.

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Think of unemployment like inventory in business - you don't want excessive inventory (high unemployment) but you also don't want zero inventory (zero unemployment) because then you can't respond to changing demand.

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Great analogy! Never thought of labor markets that way before.

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Economics is full of these counterintuitive relationships where moderation beats extremes.

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all this macro economics theory is fine but when you're actually dealing with washington esd bureaucracy and waiting for your weekly claim to process, it feels pretty academic

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Valid point - individual experience versus systemic perspective are very different things

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exactly. I get why some unemployment is 'natural' but my personal situation still sucks

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For anyone still struggling with Washington ESD contact issues, I keep recommending Claimyr because it genuinely solved my problem. The automatic calling feature is clutch when you're dealing with high call volume periods.

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How long did it take you to get through when you used it?

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About 90 minutes on a busy Tuesday morning. Way better than the 3+ hours I'd spend trying manually with no success.

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Thanks everyone for explaining this. I understand now why economists view some unemployment as healthy - it provides labor market flexibility and prevents wage inflation from spiraling out of control. Still hoping to get off Washington ESD benefits soon though!

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Good luck with your job search! The theory helps explain the system but you're right that individually we all want to find work ASAP.

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Understanding the bigger picture can actually help with job search strategy - knowing which sectors are growing and need that available labor pool.

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just want to add that while 0% unemployment sounds impossible, some small towns/regions have gotten close during resource booms and it created huge problems with housing costs and inflation

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Interesting real-world example! I hadn't thought about regional variations.

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Yeah North Dakota oil towns during the fracking boom were good examples - unemployment near zero but $3000/month for a studio apartment

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Final update - got my Washington ESD payments released after that call through Claimyr. Sometimes you really do need to talk to an actual person to resolve these adjudication issues. The automated system just can't handle complex cases.

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That's encouraging. I'm going to try the same approach for my stuck claim.

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Good luck! The key is persistence and having the right tools to actually reach someone.

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This thread got me thinking about how Washington ESD fits into the bigger economic picture. They're not just processing claims, they're managing a key economic stabilizer.

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Exactly - unemployment insurance is both individual assistance and macroeconomic policy rolled into one program.

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Makes me appreciate the system more even when it's frustrating to deal with bureaucracy.

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Bottom line for anyone reading this: healthy economies maintain unemployment rates between 3-5%. Zero unemployment would actually indicate serious economic imbalances that would hurt everyone in the long run through inflation and reduced economic flexibility.

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Perfect summary. Thanks for helping me understand this counterintuitive concept!

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I still think it sucks when you're the one unemployed, but at least I get why the system works this way now.

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as someone who's worked in HR, I can confirm that periods of very low unemployment make hiring incredibly difficult and expensive. companies end up in bidding wars for talent

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Great perspective from the employer side. It really is a balancing act for the whole economy.

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Yeah, moderate unemployment keeps the labor market functional for both workers and employers.

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Thanks for this discussion. I'm filing my weekly Washington ESD claim tomorrow and it's helpful to understand that being temporarily unemployed is part of normal economic function, not a personal failure.

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That's an important psychological insight - individual unemployment doesn't reflect personal failure when it's built into how healthy economies operate.

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Exactly. Makes the job search feel less stressful knowing this is normal economic transition.

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