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Omar Mahmoud

How long do unemployment hearings last with Washington ESD?

I've got my first unemployment appeal hearing scheduled next week and I'm really nervous about what to expect. The notice from Washington ESD doesn't say how long these things typically run. I'm trying to figure out if I need to take the whole day off work or just a few hours. Anyone been through one of these hearings before? How long should I plan for it to last?

Most Washington ESD hearings I've seen run between 30 minutes to 2 hours depending on complexity. Simple cases like missed job search requirements might be done in 30-45 minutes. More complicated stuff like misconduct or voluntary quit cases can go longer.

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Mine is about a misconduct disqualification so sounds like I should plan for the longer end. Thanks for the heads up!

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yeah mine was about job search too and it was maybe 40 minutes total including all the introductions and stuff

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The hearing length really depends on how many witnesses are involved and how much documentation needs to be reviewed. I had one that lasted almost 3 hours because my former employer brought multiple witnesses and there were a lot of conflicting statements to sort through.

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Oh wow, 3 hours is a lot longer than I expected. Did you have a lawyer or represent yourself?

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I represented myself but honestly wish I had gotten some help. The process is pretty formal and intimidating.

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Interesting, I'll check that out. I've been trying to call for days to ask some questions about my hearing prep.

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Never heard of that but might be worth a shot, the phone lines are impossible lately

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How much does something like that cost? Seems like it could be useful but don't want to spend a fortune

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Block out at least half a day to be safe. Even if the actual hearing is shorter, there's usually some waiting time, technical setup if it's by phone, and you'll want time to decompress afterward. Better to have extra time than be rushed.

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Good point about the waiting time. Is it usually by phone or video these days?

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Most of mine have been by phone since COVID but some are switching back to in-person or video. Your notice should specify.

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ugh i hate dealing with this stuff. had my hearing last month and it felt like forever even though it was probably only an hour. the stress makes everything feel longer

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That's exactly what I'm worried about. Did you win your appeal?

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yeah i did but it took like 3 weeks to get the decision after that

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One thing to keep in mind is that the administrative law judge controls the pace. Some judges are very efficient and move things along quickly, others are more thorough and take their time with every detail. You can't really predict which type you'll get.

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Is there any way to find out who your judge will be ahead of time?

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Sometimes it's listed on your hearing notice, but not always. Even if you know the name, there's not much you can do to prepare differently.

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I looked up my judge online beforehand and it helped me understand their typical style a bit

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make sure you have all your documents organized before the hearing starts. that can add time if you're shuffling through papers looking for stuff

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Good advice. I've been putting together a folder with everything I think I might need.

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Yes! And have backup copies of everything. Technology fails at the worst times.

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I've been to two hearings and they were completely different lengths. First one was maybe 20 minutes because my employer didn't show up and the judge ruled in my favor quickly. Second one lasted almost 2.5 hours because there was a lot of back and forth about the facts.

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That's a huge difference! I guess there's really no way to predict it then.

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Exactly. Just plan for the worst case scenario time-wise and hope for the best.

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What happens if your employer doesn't show up? Automatic win?

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Another factor is whether you need an interpreter. If the hearing requires translation services, that can definitely add to the overall time as everything needs to be interpreted back and forth.

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I won't need an interpreter but that's good to know for others reading this.

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My cousin needed a Spanish interpreter and her hearing took almost 3 hours partly because of that

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That's pretty impressive. I might try it if I have more questions after my hearing.

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Does it work for all kinds of calls or just certain types of issues?

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The one thing nobody mentions is how emotionally draining these hearings are regardless of length. Even a short 30 minute hearing can feel exhausting because of the stress and having to defend yourself.

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Yeah I'm definitely not looking forward to that part. Any tips for staying calm during it?

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Take notes during the hearing so you have something to focus on, and remember the judge is just doing their job - they're not personally attacking you.

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Deep breathing helps too. I know it sounds cliche but it really does work.

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Also worth noting that if your hearing runs long and you have a hard stop time, you can usually ask the judge for a brief recess or to reschedule if absolutely necessary. They're generally understanding about people's work schedules.

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Good to know I have that option if needed. Hopefully it won't come to that though.

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I had to ask for a recess once to pick up my kid from school and the judge was fine with it

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From my experience working in HR, I'd say plan for 1-2 hours as a safe estimate. The hearings I've participated in from the employer side have mostly fallen in that range. Misconduct cases tend toward the longer end because there's usually more evidence to review.

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That seems to match what others are saying. Thanks for the employer perspective too.

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Mei Liu

Do employers usually send lawyers to these hearings or just HR people?

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Depends on the company size and complexity of the case. Smaller companies often just send HR or a manager.

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Whatever you do, don't schedule anything important right after your hearing. Even if it ends quickly, you'll probably need some time to process what happened and maybe make some follow-up calls.

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That's really good advice. I was thinking about scheduling other appointments that day but maybe I shouldn't.

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Yeah I made that mistake once and was completely unfocused for the rest of the day

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One last thing - bring water and maybe a snack if it's in person. Longer hearings can be physically draining too, especially if you haven't eaten. Phone hearings are easier in that respect since you can have whatever you need nearby.

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Mine is by phone thankfully, so at least I'll be comfortable at home. Thanks everyone for all the helpful advice!

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Good luck with your hearing! Hope it goes smoothly and doesn't take too long.

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You've got this! Just be honest and stick to the facts. The truth usually comes out in these hearings.

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