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How long is an unemployment appeal hearing for Washington ESD decisions?

I have my appeal hearing scheduled next week for a disqualification and I'm trying to figure out how much time to request off work. Does anyone know how long these Washington ESD appeal hearings usually take? I got disqualified for supposedly quitting without good cause but I have documentation showing I was actually laid off due to budget cuts. Just wondering if I should plan for an hour or half the day?

Most appeal hearings I've been to last between 30-90 minutes depending on complexity. Since you have documentation of the layoff, yours might be on the shorter side if it's straightforward.

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That's reassuring! I have my termination letter and emails about the budget cuts so hopefully it won't take too long.

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definitely bring multiple copies of everything, the judge will want to see originals

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Plan for about 2 hours to be safe. The hearing itself might be 45 minutes but you'll want time beforehand to organize your documents and there's usually a wait time. Washington ESD hearings can run behind schedule.

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Good point about the wait time, I hadn't thought about that. Better to plan for more time than not enough.

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yeah mine was scheduled for 10am but didn't start until 10:45, then lasted about an hour

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If you're having trouble getting through to Washington ESD to ask about hearing procedures, I found this service called Claimyr that helped me reach an agent quickly. They have a website at claimyr.com and there's a demo video showing how it works at https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ. Really helpful when you need to talk to someone about appeal specifics.

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Thanks for the tip! I might check that out if I have more questions after my hearing.

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Never heard of that service but anything that helps get through to Washington ESD sounds useful

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Mine took exactly 1 hour and 15 minutes last year. The judge was pretty thorough and asked a lot of questions about my work history and the circumstances around my separation. Make sure you have all your dates straight!

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Did you win your appeal? I'm nervous about remembering all the exact dates.

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Yes I won! Just be honest and stick to the facts. Write down key dates beforehand if you're worried about forgetting.

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depends on whether your employer shows up to contest it too. if they don't show it might be really quick, like 20 minutes

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My former employer said they would participate, so I'm expecting them to be there unfortunately.

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That's actually good - if they participate it shows the judge is getting the full story from both sides.

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I had one that went almost 2 hours because my employer brought their HR person and a manager and they kept contradicting each other. It was actually hilarious watching them argue during my hearing!

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Oh wow, did that help your case when they contradicted each other?

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Definitely! The judge even commented on the inconsistencies in their testimony. I won the appeal.

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that's amazing lol, sounds like they did your work for you

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Washington ESD hearings are pretty formal but not intimidating. The judge will explain the process at the beginning and tell you about how long they expect it to take based on the issues involved.

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That's good to know! I was worried it would be really formal and scary.

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The judges are usually pretty patient and will explain things if you don't understand something.

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Whatever you do don't be late!!! They can dismiss your case if you're not there on time. I almost missed mine because of traffic.

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Yikes! I'm definitely planning to arrive early. Did you make it in time?

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Barely! Got there 2 minutes before it started and was sweating bullets. But I won my case so it worked out.

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The length really depends on how complicated your case is. Simple quit vs layoff disputes are usually faster than complex misconduct cases or cases involving multiple job separations.

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Mine should be straightforward since it's just about whether I quit or was laid off. I have clear documentation.

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Sounds like yours will probably be on the shorter side then, maybe 45 minutes to an hour.

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I've had three appeal hearings over the years and they ranged from 35 minutes to almost 2 hours. The longest one involved a complicated misconduct case where I had to explain a whole series of events.

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Three hearings! Did you win them all?

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Won 2 out of 3. The one I lost was because I didn't have enough documentation to prove my case.

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That's why having good documentation like the OP has is so important for these hearings.

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Pro tip: if you need to reach Washington ESD with questions before your hearing, that Claimyr service someone mentioned earlier really works. I used it last month to get clarification on some hearing procedures and got through to an agent in like 10 minutes instead of waiting on hold forever.

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Good to know! I might use that if I think of more questions before my hearing date.

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Yeah I recommended it earlier - it's been super helpful for getting through to Washington ESD when their phone lines are swamped.

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is it true that you can have a lawyer at these hearings? seems like overkill for unemployment but wondering if it would help

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You can have representation but most people don't need it for simple cases. If you have good documentation like the OP, you should be fine representing yourself.

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I thought about getting a lawyer but decided to try it myself first since I have clear evidence of the layoff.

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The actual testimony part is usually pretty quick. Most of the time is spent on the judge reviewing documents and asking clarifying questions. If you have everything organized it should move along smoothly.

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I've got everything in chronological order in a folder, so hopefully that helps keep things moving.

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Smart! Being organized definitely makes the process smoother for everyone.

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UGH I hate these hearings! Had one last year that dragged on FOREVER because the judge kept asking the same questions over and over. Felt like they were trying to trip me up!

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That sounds frustrating! Did you end up winning your case?

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Yeah I won but it took 90 minutes when it should have been 30. Sometimes I think they just like making us jump through hoops.

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From what I understand, Washington ESD tries to keep hearings under an hour when possible. They have a lot of cases to get through so they don't want to spend more time than necessary on straightforward cases.

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That makes sense from their perspective. Hopefully mine will be considered straightforward.

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With clear documentation about the layoff, it should be pretty cut and dry.

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One thing to remember is that you'll get a decision right away at the end of the hearing. The judge will tell you whether you won or lost before you leave, which is nice compared to waiting for a letter in the mail.

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Oh that's good! I was wondering if I'd have to wait weeks to find out the decision.

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Yes, you get the verbal decision immediately and then they send the written decision in the mail within a few days.

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just went through this process myself and used claimyr to get some prep advice from a washington esd agent beforehand. really helped me understand what to expect. check out their site at claimyr.com if you want to talk to someone before your hearing

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Thanks! Several people have mentioned that service now, might be worth checking out.

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Yeah it's definitely worth it if you have questions about the process beforehand.

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Good luck with your hearing! Sounds like you have a strong case with the documentation. Most people who have clear evidence of being laid off win their appeals pretty easily.

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Thank you! I'm feeling more confident after reading everyone's experiences here.

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You've got this! Just stick to the facts and let your documentation speak for itself.

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Plan for about 60-90 minutes total including any waiting time. That's been my experience with Washington ESD appeal hearings - better to overestimate than underestimate when requesting time off work.

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Perfect, that's exactly what I needed to know for planning my time off. Thanks everyone for all the helpful advice!

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hope it goes well! come back and let us know how it turned out

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Yes, please update us! Always good to hear success stories to help others going through the same thing.

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