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Fired for reporting illegal tip theft - now stuck in ESD adjudication - will they believe me?

I'm freaking out about my unemployment situation right now. I was getting benefits for about 3 weeks (received one lump sum payment), but now my claim is stuck in adjudication. I called ESD yesterday and found out it's because my former employer is claiming they fired me for "violating company policy" - which is complete BS! The truth is I was fired after I reported that the restaurant owners were illegally taking tips from servers. I worked there for almost 2 years and had zero disciplinary issues until I spoke up about the tip theft. The ESD rep said an adjudicator has to review both our statements and make a decision. Has anyone been through this type of "he said/they said" situation? Do adjudicators usually side with employers? I did file a complaint with L&I after being fired, and apparently other ex-employees have filed similar complaints about tip theft. Should I mention this to ESD? Is there any other documentation I should provide to strengthen my case? I'm really worried they'll deny my claim and I'll have to pay back what I've already received. Any advice would be hugely appreciated!

Nasira Ibanez

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You absolutely need to mention the L&I complaint to the adjudicator! This is crucial evidence that supports your side of the story. ESD doesn't automatically side with employers, especially if there's evidence of retaliation for reporting illegal activities (which is what this sounds like). Make sure you: 1. Document the exact timeline of events (when you reported the tip theft, when you were fired) 2. Get statements from coworkers if possible who can verify your story 3. Provide the L&I case number to ESD 4. Submit any written communications about the tip issue or your termination You should also know that being fired for reporting illegal activity is considered retaliation and generally qualifies you for unemployment benefits. This is whistleblower protection. Don't panic yet - adjudication can take 3-6 weeks sometimes, but with proper documentation, you have a strong case.

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Hugo Kass

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Thank you so much for this detailed response! I didn't realize retaliation would qualify me for benefits - that makes me feel a bit better. I do have texts with coworkers discussing the tip theft issue before I was fired. Should I submit those too? And do you know if I should wait for them to ask for this evidence or should I be proactive and send it all now?

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Khalil Urso

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I'm going through almost the EXACT same thing right now!!! My boss fired me after I reported safety violations and claimed it was for "attendance issues" even though I had no prior warnings. Been stuck in adjudication for 5 WEEKS with bills piling up. The stress is unreal. Have you been able to get through to anyone at ESD besides that one time? I've called like 50+ times and keep getting disconnected.

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Hugo Kass

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Ugh, 5 weeks?! That's terrifying. I've only called once so far and waited about 45 minutes to speak with someone. They basically just told me to wait for the adjudicator to contact me. Have you received any updates at all during those 5 weeks?

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Khalil Urso

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Nope, NOTHING from them in 5 weeks. Just the same status on my account. I'm seriously about to lose my mind (and my apartment). When I call it just says high call volume and hangs up on me after 20 minutes most times. This is literally the worst system ever.

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Myles Regis

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Khalil Urso

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Just checked out that Claimyr site - THANK YOU!!! Anything is better than getting hung up on 10 times a day. Did they ask you a lot of questions during your adjudication interview?

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Myles Regis

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Yes, they asked pretty detailed questions about the events leading up to my termination, specifically wanting dates, names of supervisors involved, and any documentation I had. They also asked if I had received any warnings or disciplinary actions before being fired. Having my timeline ready with specific dates really helped. Good luck!

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Brian Downey

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u should def tell them about the L&I thing!! my cousin had something similar happen at a construction job and the adjudicator decided in his favor. took like a month tho so hang in there

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Jacinda Yu

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As someone who's handled several ESD appeals (I'm not a lawyer but have assisted friends through the process), I want to clarify a few things: 1. Misconduct disqualifications require the employer to prove you knowingly violated a reasonable company policy. If you were terminated for whistleblowing about illegal activity, that is NOT misconduct under UI law. 2. Document EVERYTHING. Screenshots of texts, emails, names of witnesses, dates of incidents, etc. 3. If your claim is denied, you have 30 days to file an appeal - and many initial denials get overturned at appeal. 4. When the adjudicator calls, be calm and stick to facts. Don't get emotional or trash-talk your former employer. 5. The L&I complaint is extremely relevant - it establishes a pattern and shows you were acting in good faith. In these cases, ESD doesn't inherently favor either side. They look at evidence and apply the law. Since tip theft is illegal in Washington, reporting it would not constitute misconduct. Good luck!

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Hugo Kass

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This is incredibly helpful - thank you! I'll start gathering everything now so I'm prepared when the adjudicator calls. I didn't realize they would actually call me - I was thinking it would all be through the online portal. Do you know roughly how long the call with the adjudicator typically lasts?

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Jacinda Yu

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The adjudicator calls usually last around 15-30 minutes. They'll ask specific questions about the circumstances of your separation. Be prepared to clearly explain the timeline of: 1) when you reported the tip theft, 2) how you reported it and to whom, and 3) how soon after your report you were terminated. They may also ask if there were any other incidents or warnings before termination. If the employer claims you violated a specific policy, be ready to address that as well.

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Landon Flounder

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Not to be negative but my employer lied about why they fired me too and ESD sided with them initially. Had to appeal and wait ANOTHER 6 weeks before getting a hearing with an administrative law judge. The system is stacked against workers IMO. Hope you have a different experience but just be prepared for a long battle.

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Nasira Ibanez

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While appeals do happen, they're not automatic. Each case is different, and having documentation like an L&I complaint about the same issue significantly strengthens a claim. The key factor in misconduct cases is evidence - if it's just one person's word against another with no supporting documentation, then yes, it can be challenging. But whistleblower cases with supporting evidence often rule in the claimant's favor initially.

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Callum Savage

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i went thru adjudcation last month and it took foreverrrrr!!!! but i finally got approved. my employer said i quit but i was actually laid off and i had to prove it. the wichtblower thing is different but if u have that L&I thing thats good proof right there. make sure u answer ur phone even if u dont recognize the number cuz thats how they contact u!!!

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Hugo Kass

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Thanks for the heads up about answering unknown numbers! I've been letting those go to voicemail because of all the spam calls lately. How long did your adjudication take from start to approval, if you don't mind me asking?

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Callum Savage

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it took like 5 weeks total which felt like an ETERNITY lol. they called me in week 3 for questions and then i had to wait 2 more weeks for the decision to come thru. check ur eservices messages every day too! sometimes they send questions there

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Nasira Ibanez

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One additional thing - keep filing your weekly claims during the entire adjudication process! Even if your status is pending, you must keep filing each week. If you don't and then get approved later, you won't be paid for weeks you didn't file. I've seen people make this mistake and lose out on thousands in benefits they should have received.

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Hugo Kass

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Thanks for the reminder! I am continuing to file each week, but it's good to know this is the right thing to do. My weekly claims all show as "pending" right now instead of "paid" which had me worried.

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Ally Tailer

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My brother works for a restaurant and had same problm with tips getting stolen but he just quit instead of getting fired. ESD denied him because quitting is different I guess? So maybe youre in a better position since they fired you. But I think its crazy how long they make people wait while bills still need to be paid! The whole system is messed up if you ask me.

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Jacinda Yu

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You're right that quitting vs. being fired makes a big difference in UI claims. When you quit, you must prove you had "good cause" to leave, which has a higher burden of proof. When you're fired, the employer must prove "misconduct" to deny benefits. That's why being fired (for reasons other than misconduct) generally puts claimants in a better position than quitting.

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Khalil Urso

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Has ANYONE from ESD actually contacted you yet for your side of the story??? I'm on week 6 now of adjudication and literally no one has called me or sent me any messages asking for my version of events. How are they even making decisions if they don't talk to both sides?!?

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Jacinda Yu

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If they haven't contacted you after 6 weeks, you should definitely be proactive. Log into your eServices account and look for the "upload documents" option. You can submit a written statement explaining your side along with any supporting evidence. Also, there's a secure message feature in eServices where you can ask about the status of your adjudication. Sometimes claims get stuck and a message can help move it forward.

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