Denied ESD benefits after unsafe forklift use - need appeal help for OAH hearing next week
My appeal hearing with OAH is next week and I'm freaking out about how to present evidence! I was denied benefits after quitting my job at a building supply company. The real reason I left was serious safety issues - they had me operating a forklift for 2+ years WITHOUT ANY CERTIFICATION or training! After a coworker lost a toe in a yard accident, I refused to keep using it without proper training. During my initial claim, I mentioned hostile work environment, safety concerns, and other issues (coworkers using drugs, theft happening, racist comments). The big problem now is my manager straight-up LIED to the ESD adjudicator saying I "never drove the forklift" and that "I refused their offer for certification." That's completely backwards - I have actual videos and photos of me operating it regularly! I also reported injuries to L&I - cut hands, and a serious leg injury that had me out for months. This company has NO security cameras despite being worth millions. Since my hearing is virtual/phone, how do I submit these videos and photos as evidence to OAH before the hearing date? Can I email them somewhere? Upload to a portal? I'm really worried about not being able to show proof that contradicts my employer's lies. Any advice from people who've gone through appeals hearings would be super helpful!
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Mikayla Davison
You need to submit your evidence to OAH as soon as possible before your hearing. Here's what to do: 1. Call the OAH office handling your case (the number should be on your hearing notice) 2. Ask for instructions on submitting exhibits electronically - they'll usually give you an email address or direct you to their online portal 3. Make sure to include your case/docket number in all communications 4. When submitting videos/photos, include a written explanation of what each shows and why it's relevant 5. Also prepare a timeline document that clearly shows when you operated the forklift, when injuries occurred, when you reported unsafe conditions, etc. Most importantly - this evidence needs to be submitted AT LEAST 24 hours before your hearing (preferably earlier). The judge and your former employer need time to review it. Good luck!
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Max Reyes
•Thank you so much! I'll call first thing tomorrow. I was worried there was no way to submit this stuff. Do you know if I should convert my videos to a specific format? Some are just on my phone right now.
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Adrian Connor
they cant deny u for safety issues thats retaliation. my friend quit cuz they made him work on electric lines with no training and he got benefits easy. make sure u say u had no choice but to quit its called constructive dismissal or something
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Aisha Jackson
•Close! It's called "constructive discharge" when working conditions are so intolerable that a reasonable person would feel forced to quit. This is exactly the argument OP should make - being forced to operate dangerous equipment without certification creates an unsafe work environment that any reasonable person would leave. The key is proving they reported these concerns to management and management failed to address them adequately before quitting.
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Ryder Everingham
The EXACT same thing happened to me last year!!! My employer (warehouse) had me operating machinery I wasn't certified for then LIED during my appeal hearing saying I was "trained" when there was zero documentation. I was denied initially but WON my appeal by showing texts between me and my supervisor where I asked for proper training multiple times. My advice: gather EVERYTHING. Not just the videos/photos of you on the forklift, but any texts, emails, or written communication where you mentioned safety concerns. If you reported the injuries to HR or filled out incident reports, get copies. Witnesses are helpful too - see if any former coworkers would be willing to provide written statements about the safety issues. During the hearing, stay CALM and stick to FACTS. The judge will appreciate a timeline of events rather than emotional statements about how terrible your manager was.
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Max Reyes
•Thanks for sharing your experience! It's weirdly comforting knowing someone else dealt with this kind of situation and won. I have texts where I asked my supervisor about getting certified after the other worker's accident, and her response was basically "we'll get to it when we have time." I'll definitely include those!
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Lilly Curtis
I had a nightmare time trying to get through to OAH when I needed to submit evidence for my appeal hearing. Spent DAYS calling that number on the hearing notice without getting through. Finally discovered Claimyr (claimyr.com) which got me connected to an actual person at OAH in under 20 minutes. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ?si=26TzE_zGms-DODN3 Once I got through, they explained exactly how to email my evidence and even confirmed receipt. Seriously saved my case because I was running out of time before my hearing.
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Leo Simmons
•is this a real service?? sounds like you work for them lol but ill try anything at this point. been trying to reach someone at esd for 3 weeks about my adjudication
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Lindsey Fry
THE ESD SYSTEM IS RIGGED AGAINST WORKERS!!!! I went through an appeal and the judge basically ignored ALL my evidence and sided with my employer who COMPLETELY LIED about everything!!! They don't care about worker safety AT ALL!! Just protecting businesses!! DOCUMENT EVERYTHING and RECORD YOUR HEARING if they let you because they will try to twist your words!!!
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Mikayla Davison
•While I understand your frustration, most OAH judges try to be fair. It's important for the OP to know that appeals can go either way depending on the evidence. Recording the hearing is actually good advice - Washington is a two-party consent state, but OAH hearings are typically recorded anyway, and you can request a copy of the official recording afterward if needed for further appeals.
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Aisha Jackson
Make sure you understand the legal standard for voluntary quits in Washington. For ESD purposes, you need to prove you had "good cause" to quit AND that you exhausted all reasonable alternatives before quitting. In your case, focus on: 1. Safety violations (operating forklift without certification) - this is covered under WAC 192-150-120 2. Document when you reported safety concerns and to whom 3. What specific response did you receive from management? 4. What steps did you take before quitting? (important: did you report to upper management, HR, OSHA/L&I?) The key question will be: did you give your employer reasonable opportunity to correct the safety issue before quitting? If you can show you reported it multiple times with no resolution, that strengthens your case significantly. Also, get your L&I claim documentation - this provides third-party verification of workplace injuries that supports your safety concerns.
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Max Reyes
•This is super helpful. I did report to both my direct supervisor and the regional manager multiple times. They kept saying "we'll get you certified soon" but it never happened - for TWO YEARS! After my coworker's accident, I reported my concerns in writing to HR and refused to operate the forklift without training. That's when my manager started giving me the cold shoulder and cutting my hours. I've got the L&I claim documentation for my leg injury too.
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Leo Simmons
my cousin works at esd and says they throw out most appeals lol good luck. make sure ur super nice to the judge some of them are real jerks
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Ryder Everingham
•This isn't helpful or accurate. OAH (Office of Administrative Hearings) handles the appeals, not ESD directly. And plenty of people win their appeals if they have decent evidence. Being respectful to the judge is good advice though.
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Saleem Vaziri
I'm an employment lawyer (not giving legal advice, just general info). For your hearing, organize your thoughts around these points: 1. Unsafe working conditions (uncertified forklift operation) 2. Employer's failure to remedy after reasonable notice 3. Documentation of injuries resulting from unsafe conditions 4. Timeline showing you attempted resolution before quitting During the hearing: - Answer questions directly and briefly - Don't interrupt the judge or your former employer - When describing events, stick to "I observed" or "I experienced" rather than assumptions about others' motives - If your employer makes false statements, wait for your turn to respond, then calmly present contradicting evidence I've seen many employees win these cases when they have clear documentation of safety violations that weren't addressed after being reported.
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Max Reyes
•Thank you for this advice! I'm definitely guilty of getting emotional when talking about how badly they treated me. I'll practice sticking to the facts and timeline. Should I submit written statements from coworkers who saw me operating the forklift or is that not helpful?
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Mikayla Davison
One more important tip: Be very specific about the timeline leading up to your quit. The judge will want to know: 1. When did you first report safety concerns? To whom? 2. What was their response? 3. How many times did you follow up? 4. What was the "final straw" that made you quit? 5. How much time passed between reporting and quitting? Based on what you've shared, it sounds like you have a strong case for good cause, but you need to clearly demonstrate you tried to resolve the issues before leaving. Print all your evidence in triplicate and have it organized chronologically so you can quickly reference it during questioning.
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Max Reyes
•I initially reported safety concerns about 3 months before quitting, after my coworker's accident. Then I reported again multiple times in the last month before I left. The final straw was when they cut my hours after I refused to keep operating the forklift unsafely. I'll definitely organize everything chronologically - that makes a lot of sense. Thank you!
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