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OAH hearing for relocation denial - ESD completely misinterpreted my housing crisis documentation

I'm freaking out about my upcoming OAH hearing on January 2nd. I just reviewed the exhibits ESD sent to the hearing office and I'm shocked at how badly they misinterpreted everything I submitted! Here's what actually happened: I had to leave my job because my housing situation fell apart. My roommate (who got me the job) started drinking heavily which created major drama - I'm under court requirements to avoid this kind of environment. I explained this to my employer, finished out my work week, and even asked if they could rent me one of their properties (they own 2 motels and rentals) so I could keep working there. They offered me nothing, so I had no choice but to move in with my partner who lives 65 miles away. What ESD somehow got from this: They claim I left for a new job and provided no proof! What?? I clearly explained I was relocating due to a housing crisis and had to move to a new city. I've been actively job hunting since moving (averaging 8-12 applications and 2 interviews weekly - way above the required job search activities). No wonder so many people end up in adjudication or get denied - they don't even read what we submit! If they were confused, why not call me or ask for clarification instead of making up some completely different scenario? I'm incredibly nervous now but I've uploaded ALL evidence this time - texts, detailed explanation letter addressing both the employer's statement and ESD's bizarre interpretation. I also discovered I can get free legal help through the Unemployment Law Project, which I'm contacting tomorrow. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. For context, I've been an auto tech for 10 years with solid employment history - the only other time I was on unemployment was during COVID when everything shut down, and I went back to work as soon as the quarantine ended.

I had a similar nightmare with ESD misinterpreting my documents. For your OAH hearing, make sure you have EVERYTHING organized chronologically with dates clearly marked. Write up a timeline document that connects each piece of evidence to specific dates and facts you're trying to prove. When you speak at the hearing, be super calm and factual - no matter how frustrated you are. Definitely get that free legal help! The Unemployment Law Project saved me. They'll help you prepare exactly what to say and how to present your case. Make sure you understand the specific disqualification reason they're using against you - sounds like they're treating this as a voluntary quit without good cause rather than a quit due to relocation necessity.

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Thank you!! I'm going to call the ULP first thing tomorrow. Do you remember how long before your hearing they were able to help you? I only have about 10 days left.

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Anthony Young

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ESD adudication is a joke rn tbh... they denied me 4 times over something so simple i couldnt believe it. they said i didnt provide pay stubs when i literally uploaded them 3 DIFFERENT TIMES!!! dont stress too much about OAH tho, the judges are waaaaay more reasonable than ESD. just talk slow and have all ur stuff ready.

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That's actually really reassuring to hear the judges are more reasonable. I've been losing sleep over this. Did you end up winning your appeal?

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When relocating due to housing issues, ESD considers several factors to determine if it qualifies as "good cause" for voluntarily leaving employment. The key elements they should be evaluating include: 1. The necessity of the move (which you've documented with the situation involving your roommate and court requirements) 2. The distance of the relocation (65 miles is generally considered outside commuting distance) 3. Your attempts to maintain employment (asking employer for housing options) 4. Your continued job search efforts in the new location For your hearing, I recommend organizing your testimony around these specific points. Have a concise opening statement that directly addresses why your situation meets the legal standard for good cause. When referring to documents, specify exhibit numbers and page numbers so the judge can follow along easily. The Unemployment Law Project is an excellent resource. Their attorneys understand the specific legal standards that apply to your case and can help you frame your arguments effectively.

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This is incredibly helpful! I didn't realize there were such specific factors they look at for relocation cases. I'll definitely organize my testimony around these points. Thank you for breaking it down like this.

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Admin_Masters

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Have you tried calling ESD directly to get clarification before your hearing? Sometimes getting a knowledgeable agent on the phone can help sort things out. But getting through is nearly impossible these days... I spent 3 weeks trying to reach someone about my adjudication issue.

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Ella Thompson

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THEY DO THIS ALL THE TIME!!!! I swear they have some kind of quota to deny people! I had an almost identical situation where they completely distorted what I wrote. In my case, they said I was fired for misconduct when I clearly explained I was laid off due to business slowdown. It's like they don't even read what we submit!!!!

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JacksonHarris

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It's not so much about quotas as it is about the volume they're processing. When I worked adjacent to a state benefits office (not in WA), the adjudicators were handling 80-100 cases EACH DAY. They have about 5-7 minutes per case. Not making excuses, but that's why so many mistakes happen. The appeal system exists precisely because the first-level review is so rushed.

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JacksonHarris

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Based on what you've described, you have a solid case for the OAH hearing. Relocation due to housing issues can qualify as good cause for leaving employment, especially when you've documented that: 1. You had no reasonable alternative (the court requirements add significant weight here) 2. You attempted to find local housing, including asking your employer 3. The distance (65 miles) exceeds reasonable commuting distance Be sure to practice your testimony beforehand. The judge will likely ask why you couldn't commute from your partner's home, so prepare a clear answer about the distance, transportation costs, or other barriers. The Unemployment Law Project is excellent - they can review your specific situation and give tailored advice. If they can't represent you on short notice, ask if they can at least do a prep session.

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Thank you so much for the detailed response. One question - should I bring up the fact that I looked into commuting but my car gets poor gas mileage and I couldn't afford $40/day in gas plus 3 hours of driving? I did calculations but wasn't sure if I should mention this.

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I went through an OAH hearing last year and won. Here's what helped me: 1. I organized a binder with tabs for each piece of evidence, numbered to match the exhibits 2. I wrote out answers to likely questions so I wouldn't get flustered 3. I practiced explaining my situation in under 2 minutes (judges appreciate conciseness) 4. I made a simple timeline showing key dates (when housing issue arose, when I notified employer, when I moved, etc.) 5. I had documentation showing I'd been applying for jobs consistently Stay calm during the hearing, address the judge respectfully, don't interrupt anyone, and stick to the facts. The judge will likely ask if you've reviewed all exhibits - make sure you have! Definitely use the Unemployment Law Project - they can review your case and might even represent you at the hearing if they have availability.

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Thank you! I really like the binder idea with tabs matching the exhibits. I'll definitely do that. And writing out answers to practice is smart - I tend to ramble when I'm nervous. Did you have to wait long for the decision after your hearing?

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I got my decision in about 10 days, but I've heard it can take up to 2-3 weeks. One more tip: if the employer has submitted something that's factually wrong, don't get angry or argumentative - just calmly present the evidence that contradicts it. The judges really respond well to a professional, factual approach even when you're disproving the other side's claims.

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Anthony Young

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btw did they actually told u why they denied u? my letter was so vague i had no idea what they were even saying i did wrong lol

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My denial letter said I "voluntarily quit without good cause" and something about not having evidence of work relocation. But nothing specific about WHY they didn't think my housing crisis was good cause. Super frustrating!

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