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Will my Social Security survivor benefits be based on husband's reduced early retirement amount or his FRA amount?

My husband started collecting Social Security at 62 (about $1,750/month) because of some pretty serious health issues. His doctor doesn't think his condition will improve, and I'm trying to plan ahead for our future. I'm currently 59 and still working full-time. If something happens to my husband, and I wait until my full retirement age (67) to claim survivor benefits, would those benefits be based on what he's actually receiving now (the reduced amount) or what he would have received at his full retirement age? I've heard conflicting information about this from friends and family, and I'm trying to make some financial plans. The difference could be significant for my budget planning. Has anyone dealt with this situation before? I'd really appreciate any insight!

I'm so sorry about your husband's health issues. I went through a similar situation with my wife. The good news is that if you wait until your full retirement age to claim survivor benefits, you'll receive what your husband would have received at HIS full retirement age, not the reduced amount he's currently getting. That's one of the few exceptions to the reduction rules. SSA doesn't penalize survivors for their spouse's early claiming.

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Thank you so much for that information! That's a huge relief. So even though he's getting about $1,750 now, I would potentially get his full FRA amount which would have been around $2,340? That makes a significant difference for my future planning.

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Actually that's not entirely accurate. What you'll receive depends on when your husband claimed. Since he claimed at 62, your survivor benefit WILL be reduced somewhat, but not as much as his current check. You'll get what's called the "greater of" amount: either what he was receiving when he died OR 82.5% of his full retirement age benefit. This is because of the RIB-LIM rule (Retirement Insurance Benefit Limitation). If you claim survivor benefits before YOUR full retirement age, they'll be further reduced based on your age.

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This is super confusing! So which is it? Does she get the full amount or some reduced amount? I thought survivors always got 100% of what the deceased was getting???

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Let me clarify this since there's some confusion. The survivor benefit calculation when a spouse claims early is governed by the RIB-LIM rule: 1. If you wait until YOUR full retirement age, you'll receive the higher of: - The actual amount your husband was receiving when he died - 82.5% of your husband's Primary Insurance Amount (what he would have received at his FRA) 2. If you claim survivor benefits BEFORE your FRA, you'll receive a reduced amount based on how early you claim. So yes, there is some reduction because your husband claimed early, but it's not a straight dollar-for-dollar reduction to what he's currently receiving. The 82.5% floor provides some protection against early claiming penalties.

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Thank you for explaining this so clearly. I think I understand now - there is SOME reduction because he claimed early, but not as severe as his own reduction. So if his FRA amount would have been $2,340, then 82.5% of that would be about $1,930, which is still better than the $1,750 he's currently receiving. Is that right?

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Yes, that's exactly right. In your example, you'd receive about $1,930 (the 82.5% amount) since it's higher than his current $1,750 payment. The key is waiting until YOUR full retirement age to maximize what you receive. Also, don't forget that you should compare your own retirement benefit to the survivor benefit. You're entitled to claim whichever is higher, and you can even switch between them at different times to maximize your lifetime benefits.

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my neighbor went thru this last year and she said the funeral home helped her apply for survivor benefits right after her husband passed. is that normal? do u have to apply right away?

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You DO NOT have to apply right away! But survivor benefits are only paid from when you apply - they don't backdate them like some other benefits. You have up to 12 months to apply and still get the full benefits from the date of death. And YES many funeral homes will help you notify Social Security and start the process. But they don't actually help you apply - they just notify SSA of the death. You still need to contact SSA yourself to actually APPLY for survivor benefits.

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Good to know about the 12-month window. I'm hoping we won't need this information for many years, but I want to understand everything now while I'm trying to plan.

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my husband died last year and i got a lump sum death payment of $255 but thats all!!!! they told me i make too much at my job to get survivor benefits. i think the whole system is rigged against working people. i pay in all these years and cant even get benefits when my husband dies!!!

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You're not being denied forever. If you're under FRA and working, your earnings can temporarily reduce your survivor benefits due to the earnings test. Once you reach FRA, the earnings test no longer applies, and you can receive full survivor benefits regardless of how much you earn from working.

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Coming back to the original question - there's one other scenario to consider. If your husband's health issues qualify him for Social Security disability benefits (SSDI), and he switches from early retirement to disability benefits, then your eventual survivor benefits would NOT be reduced at all. When someone receives disability benefits, the survivor benefits are calculated as if the person reached full retirement age, regardless of actual age. Has your husband ever considered applying for SSDI given his health condition? It might be worth exploring.

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That's a really interesting point! His doctors have suggested he might qualify for disability, but he was already receiving retirement benefits when his condition worsened, so we didn't pursue it. I didn't realize it could affect survivor benefits differently. I'll definitely look into this option. Thank you!

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wait im confused do u have to be widowed to get survivor benefits? my husband is sick too but still alive can i get them now? or only after he passes away?

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Survivor benefits are only available after your spouse passes away. While your spouse is living, you might qualify for spousal benefits (up to 50% of their FRA amount) if you're at least 62. If you're caring for a child under 16 or a disabled child, you could receive spousal benefits at any age. But survivor benefits (up to 100% of their benefit) only become available after they pass away.

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Thank you all so much for this incredibly helpful information! I understand the situation much better now. To summarize what I've learned: 1. If I wait until my FRA to claim survivor benefits, I'll get the higher of either his current benefit ($1,750) or 82.5% of his FRA amount (about $1,930) 2. I should look into whether my husband might qualify for SSDI, which could eliminate the reduction entirely 3. I need to compare my own retirement benefit to the survivor benefit when the time comes and consider claiming strategies This gives me a much better foundation for financial planning. I really appreciate everyone taking the time to explain all this!

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You've got it exactly right! One small addition - once you reach 70, make sure you're receiving your maximum possible benefit from either source. There's no advantage to delaying either benefit past 70. Wishing you and your husband all the best.

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