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Liam O'Reilly

Will I be stuck with just my low Social Security benefits if my husband dies between his early retirement at 62 and my survivor eligibility at 67?

My husband (61) and I (62) have been planning our retirement, and we've decided he'll claim his Social Security at 62 next year while I'll start mine at 63. My work history is spotty because I spent years as a caregiver for our kids then my parents, so my benefit is going to be around $980/month while his will be about $1,850/month even with the early claiming reduction. I understand I'll get some spousal benefits to supplement my own when I file. But here's what keeps me up at night - what happens if he passes away before I reach my full retirement age at 67? Would I be stuck just receiving my tiny benefit until I reach 67 when I could switch to survivor benefits? Or could I get survivor benefits earlier but at a reduced rate? I feel morbid planning for this, but with his family health history and a recent health scare, I need to understand the financial safety net. Yes, I know everyone says wait until 70 to maximize benefits, but my husband's job in construction is physically breaking him down, and we've calculated that starting early makes sense in our situation. Just need to understand the worst-case scenario plan.

Chloe Delgado

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First, don't feel weird about planning for this - it's actually very prudent. If your husband passes away before you reach your FRA of 67, you absolutely CAN claim survivor benefits before 67. You don't have to wait until your full retirement age. However, there will be a reduction if you claim survivor benefits early. You can claim as early as age 60 (or 50 if disabled), but the earlier you claim, the more the reduction. At age 60, you'd receive about 71.5% of your husband's full benefit amount. The good news is that as a widow, you would have the option to take either your own retirement benefit OR the survivor benefit, and then switch to the other later if it would result in a higher payment. This gives you flexibility that most Social Security claimants don't have. For example, you could take your reduced retirement benefit at 63 as planned, then if your husband unfortunately passes away, you could switch to survivor benefits immediately OR wait until your FRA to get the full survivor amount - whichever makes more financial sense.

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Liam O'Reilly

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Thank you so much for this information! I'm really relieved to hear I could claim survivor benefits before 67 if needed. Would the survivor benefit be based on what he was actually receiving at the time of his death (the reduced amount from claiming at 62), or would it be based on his full retirement age amount? And to be clear - if I'm already collecting my own benefit when he passes, I could immediately switch to the survivor benefit if it's higher, even before reaching 67?

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Ava Harris

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my aunt was in this EXACT situation last year!!! her husband died at 64 and she was only 61... she got survivors benefits right away but they reduced them cuz she was under her fra. but still wayyy more than her own ss check would have been! she said the ssa office was actually pretty helpful once she finally got someone on the phone. took like 2 weeks of calling tho ugh

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Liam O'Reilly

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That's somewhat reassuring to hear your aunt was able to get survivor benefits right away, though I'm sorry for her loss. The reduced amount still being more than her own benefit is exactly what I was hoping would be the case. Did she mention if they based the survivor benefit on what he was actually receiving, or what he would have received at full retirement age?

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Jacob Lee

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Your survivor benefit would be based on what your husband would have received if he had reached full retirement age, not his reduced age-62 benefit. This is because SSA applies a special rule for widows/widowers called the "widow's limit" or RIB-LIM rule. Basically, if your husband claims early at 62 and later passes away, your survivor benefit would be limited to the HIGHER of: 1. The benefit your husband was actually receiving at death (reduced for his early claim) 2. 82.5% of his full retirement age benefit So you'd get at least 82.5% of his full benefit, regardless of how early he claimed. And yes, you would be able to switch from your own benefit to the survivor benefit at any point after his passing if it would result in a higher payment - even before 67. As a widow, you maintain the right to switch between benefit types at any age after becoming eligible for both.

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Liam O'Reilly

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This is incredibly helpful, thank you! I had no idea about the "widow's limit" rule - that actually makes me feel much better about our decision for him to claim at 62. So if I understand correctly, even if he claims at 62 and passes away before his FRA, my survivor benefit would be at least 82.5% of what his full benefit would have been at 67, not the reduced amount he was receiving. That's a significant difference!

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You guys are missing something IMPORTANT here!!! The survivor benefit IS reduced if YOU take it early! It doesn't matter if HE took benefits early. There's two separate reductions. If he takes benefits early, that reduces what he gets. But if YOU take survivor benefits before YOUR full retirement age, those get reduced AGAIN!! This happened to my sister and she was SHOCKED at how little she got because she didn't understand the double reduction. SSA doesn't explain this clearly!! 😡

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Jacob Lee

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You're partially correct, but it's important to understand how these reductions actually work together. There are indeed two potential reductions, but they don't always stack the way you might think. The RIB-LIM rule I mentioned earlier actually protects widows/widowers from the full impact of their spouse's early claiming. Even if the husband claims at 62 (taking a 30% reduction), the survivor benefit would be limited to the higher of his actual benefit or 82.5% of his PIA (Primary Insurance Amount at full retirement age). You're absolutely right that there's a second reduction if the widow claims survivor benefits before her own FRA. This reduction is approximately 4.75% per year early. However, if the husband was already receiving benefits when he died, the maximum family benefit rules come into play, which can sometimes result in a higher payment than expected. This is why it's so important to speak directly with SSA about your specific situation.

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My husband took SS at 62 and when he died I was 63. I got a check for $255 (funeral benefit or something) and then had to apply for the survivor benefit. I got about 80% of what he would've gotten at full retirement. It was way better than my own benefit, so I switched right away. Don't wait till 67! You can switch anytime after he passes if its higher than your own.

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Liam O'Reilly

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Thank you for sharing your experience. It's helpful to hear from someone who's actually been through this. And yes, that $255 is the lump-sum death benefit (ridiculously low, isn't it?). I'm glad to know you were able to switch to the survivor benefit right away at 63. That makes me feel much better about our planning.

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Daniela Rossi

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I work with SS retirement planning, and there's an important strategy worth considering here. Since you have the option to choose between benefits OR switch between them, you might consider: 1. Taking your reduced retirement benefit at 63 as planned 2. If your husband passes away before you reach your FRA, evaluate whether to: a) Switch immediately to survivor benefits (if the reduced survivor amount is higher than your own benefit) b) Continue receiving your own benefit and then switch to the unreduced survivor benefit at your FRA of 67 Remember that survivor benefits reach their maximum at your FRA (unlike retirement benefits which max at 70). So sometimes the optimal strategy is to take your own reduced benefit early, then switch to the unreduced survivor benefit at your FRA. Also, keep in mind that when you're receiving your own benefit, you can still work without losing benefits once you reach FRA (though before FRA there are earnings limits).

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Liam O'Reilly

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This strategy makes a lot of sense. I hadn't thought about the possibility of taking my own reduced benefit and then waiting until my FRA to switch to the unreduced survivor benefit. I'll need to crunch some numbers to see what would make the most financial sense if that unfortunate scenario occurs. Thank you so much for this thoughtful advice.

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Ryan Kim

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I spent literally DAYS trying to get through to SS on the phone last year when my husband passed. Kept getting disconnected or waiting for hours. I finally tried a service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that got me connected to a real person at SS in under 10 minutes. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU Once I got through, the agent was actually really helpful explaining my survivor benefit options. Turns out I could take the survivor benefit immediately at 62 (reduced amount) or wait until my FRA for the full amount. I decided to take it right away since it was still significantly more than my own benefit would have been.

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Liam O'Reilly

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I'm so sorry for your loss. Thank you for sharing this resource - I've heard the wait times to speak with SSA can be absolutely terrible. I'll definitely keep Claimyr in mind if/when I need to contact them. Did you find that the SSA representative was able to calculate the different scenarios for you, or did you have to figure out which option would be best on your own?

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Ryan Kim

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Thank you. The SSA rep was able to tell me the exact dollar amounts for both scenarios - what I'd get if I took survivor benefits immediately (reduced) vs. waiting until my FRA. Made the decision pretty straightforward in my case. Definitely have them run the numbers for your specific situation when the time comes. And yeah, Claimyr was worth it just for the peace of mind of not spending days trying to get through.

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WHY IS THIS SYSTEM SO COMPLICATED???!! My dad worked for 45 years and my mom can barely figure out what she's entitled to now that he's gone. It shouldn't take a PhD to understand our benefits that we PAID FOR our whole lives!!! And good luck trying to call them - you'll die of old age before someone picks up! 😤

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Chloe Delgado

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It is unnecessarily complex, I agree. The system evolved over decades with legislative changes patched on top of each other, creating this maze of rules and exceptions to rules. The varying Full Retirement Ages, family maximum formulas, and dual-entitlement provisions make it incredibly challenging for the average person to optimize their benefits. What makes it worse is that SSA employees are prohibited from giving advice on claiming strategies - they can only provide information about the rules. So even when you do reach someone, they can't tell you what the best option for your situation might be. This is why it's often worth consulting with a financial advisor who specializes in Social Security claiming strategies for your specific situation.

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Ava Harris

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wait i just remembered something else important my aunt told me! if your getting the spousal benefit as a top-up on your own benefit, and then your husband passes away, you CANT get both the spousal AND the survivor benefit. you have to pick one. she said lots of people don't know this and expect to get both

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Chloe Delgado

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That's correct - you can never receive both spousal and survivor benefits simultaneously. You'll receive either your own benefit or the survivor benefit, whichever is higher. The spousal benefit is only available while both spouses are living. When a spouse passes away, the spousal benefit is no longer available, and is replaced by the survivor benefit option. This is an important distinction that many people misunderstand.

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Liam O'Reilly

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Thank you all so much for this information! I'm feeling much more prepared now. Let me see if I understand the key points correctly: 1. If my husband passes away, I CAN claim survivor benefits before my FRA of 67, but they'll be reduced if I claim early 2. His early claiming at 62 won't fully reduce my survivor benefits due to the RIB-LIM rule (I'll get at least 82.5% of his FRA benefit) 3. I have flexibility to switch between my own benefit and survivor benefits at any point after he passes 4. If he passes away early, I could potentially take my reduced retirement benefit at 63 as planned, then switch to the unreduced survivor benefit at my FRA of 67 This is all so much more reassuring than what I feared. I really appreciate everyone taking the time to help me understand this complicated system!

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Daniela Rossi

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You've got it exactly right! Your summary hits all the key points perfectly. The flexibility to switch between benefit types is a special provision for survivors that gives you important financial options. One additional note: when the time comes to make these decisions, be very explicit with SSA about whether you're applying for retirement benefits, survivor benefits, or restricting your application to just one type. The precise wording matters, as does getting confirmation in writing of which benefit you're receiving. Glad you're feeling more confident about your planning now!

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This is such a thoughtful discussion! As someone who's been through the Social Security maze myself, I wanted to add one more important consideration for your planning. If you do end up needing to claim survivor benefits, make sure to ask SSA about any cost-of-living adjustments (COLAs) that might apply. Sometimes people don't realize that survivor benefits continue to receive annual COLA increases, which can make a significant difference over time. Also, I'd strongly recommend documenting your husband's work history and benefit estimates now while he's healthy. Having his Social Security Statement and any pension information organized will make things much easier if you ever need to navigate the claims process during what would already be a difficult time. You're doing exactly the right thing by planning ahead - it shows real wisdom and care for your family's financial security. Don't feel morbid about it at all!

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Thank you for bringing up the COLA adjustments - that's something I hadn't even thought about! It's reassuring to know that survivor benefits would continue to grow with cost-of-living increases over time. Your suggestion about documenting everything now is excellent advice. I'll make sure to get copies of his Social Security statements and organize all our financial records while we're both able to do so clearly. You're absolutely right that trying to gather all that information during a time of grief would be overwhelming. I really appreciate everyone's kindness about the planning aspect. This community has been incredibly helpful in turning what felt like a scary unknown into something I can actually prepare for. Thank you!

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Ruby Knight

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I wanted to add something that might be relevant to your situation - if your husband has any military service or government employment, there could be additional survivor benefits available that work alongside Social Security. For example, if he has any federal employment where he paid into FERS (Federal Employee Retirement System), there would be a separate survivor annuity that could provide additional monthly income. Similarly, veterans' survivors may be eligible for Dependency and Indemnity Compensation (DIC) from the VA, which is separate from Social Security. These benefits don't reduce your Social Security survivor benefits - you can receive both simultaneously. Given that your husband works in construction, he may have union pension benefits with survivor options as well. It's worth reviewing all retirement accounts and pensions now to understand what survivor benefits they offer. Also, don't forget about any life insurance policies through his employer or that you've purchased independently. While not ongoing monthly income like Social Security, these can provide crucial financial breathing room during the transition period.

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Yuki Tanaka

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This is excellent advice! My husband doesn't have military service, but he has been in a union for most of his career, so there definitely could be survivor benefits through his pension that I hadn't fully considered. I'll need to contact his union representative to get the details on what's available. You're absolutely right that I should be looking at all these different income sources together, not just Social Security in isolation. The life insurance piece is especially important - we do have policies through his employer, but I should double-check the beneficiary information is current and understand exactly how the claims process works. It's helpful to know that these other benefits wouldn't reduce Social Security survivor benefits. I was worried everything would be interconnected and that receiving one might hurt eligibility for another. Thank you for giving me this broader perspective on survivor financial planning!

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Tasia Synder

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I'm so glad you asked this question because it's something many couples don't think about until it's too late! You're absolutely being smart and responsible by planning ahead. One thing I wanted to add that I don't think has been mentioned yet - if your husband passes away and you're receiving survivor benefits, you should know that the earnings test works differently for survivors than it does for regular retirement benefits. If you're under your full retirement age and working while receiving survivor benefits, the earnings limit is higher than the regular retirement earnings limit ($22,320 for 2024 vs $19,560 for regular retirement benefits). Also, here's something that might give you even more peace of mind: even if you claim your own retirement benefit at 63 as planned, and then your husband passes away later, you can potentially "restart" at a higher survivor benefit amount. The flexibility survivors have in the Social Security system is actually one of the few areas where the rules work in your favor. You mentioned your husband's construction work is physically demanding - many people in similar situations find that claiming at 62 was the right choice for their health and quality of life. The financial calculations are important, but so is being able to enjoy retirement while you're both healthy enough to do so.

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